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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or taking pride in their compatriots successes?
    Feeling pride and sympathy for their compatriots failures?
    Taking pride in their own flag?

    Why so negative nelly about it all? Sport can bring the best out of nationalism as well as the worst. Given most people by and large are good, overall the nationalism is good and not bad.
    Except the only way to define who you are is to agree to what (or who) you are not. You can't have nationalism without foreign (or in some cases, domestic) enemies. It's difficult to be Brazilian without dislike Argentinians. Just like it's difficult to be Scottish without disliking the English. In both cases, the dislike is a key component of national identity.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Except the only way to define who you are is to agree to what (or who) you are not. You can't have nationalism without foreign (or in some cases, domestic) enemies. It's difficult to be Brazilian without dislike Argentinians. Just like it's difficult to be Scottish without disliking the English. In both cases, the dislike is a key component of national identity.
    Bullshit. You can compete against others without viewing others as your enemy or hating them.

    A Scot disliking the English who dislike the French etc is genuinely banter not hatred.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  3. #63
    Sportspeople do not hate the people they compete against, unless there's some specific incident that has resulted in bad blood.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Bullshit. You can compete against others without viewing others as your enemy or hating them.

    A Scot disliking the English who dislike the French etc is genuinely banter not hatred.
    And outside a few rogue nations there isn't much hate between countries. I feel pity for most countries.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I feel pity for most countries.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    And outside a few rogue nations there isn't much hate between countries. I feel pity for most countries.
    I hope you're being sarcastic here.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  7. #67
    I hope he's not

    Excluding Taiwan there are 195 countries in the world, to pity most would mean pitying at least 98. There are many more than 98 countries in the world to have pity for. Even if you included Taiwan then I'd have pity for them too, so that doesn't change the maths. GGT/Loki, I don't think you realise just how lucky you are to be in the nation you are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  8. #68
    Fairly sure Lewk doesn't actually feel pity.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  9. #69
    Quite possibly. However why would you "hope" for him to be a pitiless droid and not an empathetic human?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  10. #70
    Pity isn't always necessarily an expression of empathy or sympathy, nor is it always appropriate.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I hope he's not

    Excluding Taiwan there are 195 countries in the world, to pity most would mean pitying at least 98. There are many more than 98 countries in the world to have pity for. Even if you included Taiwan then I'd have pity for them too, so that doesn't change the maths. GGT/Loki, I don't think you realise just how lucky you are to be in the nation you are.
    Are you Gingrich now? Hope takes precedence over reality? Russia/Ukraine, Bosnia/Croatia/Serbia, Serbia/Kosovo, Russia/Georgia, Armenia/Azerbaijan, Armenia/Turkey, Japan/China/Taiwan, Japan/Koreas, China/Vietnam, China/Philippines, Indonesia/East Timor, Algeria/Morocco, Western Sahara/Morocco, Sudan/South Sudan, Ethiopia/Eritrea, Ethiopia/Somalia, Congo/Rwanda, Israel/every single Arab state and most non-Arab Muslim ones, America/almost every Arab state, Iraq/Kuwait, Saudi Arabia/Yemen, India/Pakistan, Bangladesh/Pakistan, India/China, Chile/Bolivia. That's just off the top of my head and excludes cases where only a political/ethnic minority hates another country. And cases where hate is a bit too strong a word.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  12. #72
    You think sporting rivalry = Russia/Ukraine?

    You're absolutely bonkers. Besides which that sort of warfare and rivalry has sod all to do with athletes competing in sporting contests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #73
    In context, Lewk's remark about there not being much hate between countries could be read as him saying there isn't much hate between countries even outside of sports.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I hope you're being sarcastic here.
    Most countries have a much lower quality of life.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Most countries have a much lower quality of life.
    How does that relate to there not being much hate between countries? And that's a pretty big truism. War doesn't do wonders to a country's quality of life.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    How does that relate to there not being much hate between countries? And that's a pretty big truism. War doesn't do wonders to a country's quality of life.
    I may have misinterpreted your statement to mean 'I hope you are being sarcastic about pitying other countries' as opposed to 'I hope you are being sarcastic about there isn't much hate between countries.' That being said I still don't think there is much national hate between countries. Most of the hatred is drawn upon cultural lines (see conflict WITHIN Iraq between different groups) not national lines. The one exception would likely be Israel which is hated by default by the left and the Islamic world.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I may have misinterpreted your statement to mean 'I hope you are being sarcastic about pitying other countries' as opposed to 'I hope you are being sarcastic about there isn't much hate between countries.' That being said I still don't think there is much national hate between countries. Most of the hatred is drawn upon cultural lines (see conflict WITHIN Iraq between different groups) not national lines. The one exception would likely be Israel which is hated by default by the left and the Islamic world.
    Though that is still cultural. They hate the Jews, as a result they hate Israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    How does that relate to there not being much hate between countries? And that's a pretty big truism. War doesn't do wonders to a country's quality of life.
    Which might be on topic if the Olympics and other international sport was warfare.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  18. #78
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/disability-sport/37310337 More nationalism without the war part at the Olympics.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  19. #79
    Once again, good that there's no war.

    Incidentally good on the IPC for doing what the IOC and FIFA don't have the balls to do and ban the Russians outright.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/disability-sport/37310337 More nationalism without the war part at the Olympics.
    He carried a Russian flag because he disagreed with their blanket banning from the Olympics, and he was banned because he violated the rule against political gestures during Olympic events. You're right, it's literally one step from this to jack boots, black jackets with arm bands and beating up immigrants!

    What are you going on about?
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  21. #81
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  22. #82
    And now countries are using their intelligence services to discredit opponents...
    Hope is the denial of reality

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