I've never read that rag.Originally Posted by Loki
I've never read that rag.
Yet you totally agree with it, so that's interesting.
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Even a broken clock ...
...is right more frequently than the Express?
There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
It may be true for a broken clock, but FM Johnson gets it wrong so often that even ministers have started making jokes about his imbecile statements about Brexit.
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https://www.ft.com/content/3b1a3c3e-...0-8ec15fb462f4
Not convinced that the Brexit leaders are any smarter than the average Daily Express reader.
Hope is the denial of reality
Seems like the big US banks Theresa May tried to placate have now told her that they are even willing to pre-emptively move business out of London if she can't give clarity over the outcome of the Brexit talks. That puts her a bit in a bind of course, because unless she's going to give in and do a Norway, she's not in control over that outcome.
Project Reality goes on .
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No FT subscription, care to offer a summary?
The Bullingdon Buffoon that goes by the title of Secretary of state for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, made some silly remark that thinking movement is an intrinsic element of the single market was baloney. When confronted with this statement Schäuble and Macon first looked at eachother. Then Schäuble answered that he usually respects foreign ministers, but that if that wasn't sufficient answer, he could send the Buffoon a copy of the TEU and he'd even be willing to travel to London to explain it. Macon added to that, that a good paté actually needs all its ingredients.
Discuss; do you think Schäuble respects the Buffoon?
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...sh-on-eu-rules
Hope is the denial of reality
So because Schauble repeats some baloney that makes Johnson wrong?
Had Johnson been talking about membership of the Single Market then yes of course it would be indivisible, but Johnson wasn't talking about membership he was talking about access so it is complete baloney. That's like saying that Muirfield golf club, which requires members to have a penis but allows golfers without a penis access to play as non-members ... insists on a penis for all golfers who want to play on the grounds because that is part of the membership requirements.
Unless access is restricted to members only then rules that apply to members only are not rules for access. Johnson is right and Schauble is wrong in trying and failing to merge the two. Just like if TTIP ever got agreed it wouldn't have included free movement between the EU and USA.
If the TTIP is anything like CETA it doesn't amount to complete access to the Single Market.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
But they would have access with zero free movement rights. I would have been quite happy to have Single Market membership via the EEA but that doesn't look like what the government is going for and they're seeking Single Market "access" and that does not entail free movement. Schauble is talking out of his arsehole conflating membership rules and access.
TTIP is a comprehensive trade agreement. It does not create a single market.
You guys (bleary-eyed Brexiteers) seriously don't even have a comprehension of the most basic things you're talking about. You don't know what article 50 entails, you don't have a clue about the future relationship you can have with Europe, you don't understand the functioning of the WTO and worst of all, you think that there is a 'world outside' that is going to strike deals with you before you have dealt with the first three.
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At this point I'm not sure you actually know what you're talking about.
The EU's principle for giving access to the single market--and, indeed, even for making trade agreements--has been to condition degree of access on degree of compliance with the EU's principles and regulations. The TTIP makes many concessions, but they are conditional. The TTIP was at least at one point intended to guarantee the freedom of movement of corporations' managers and other employees. The UK does not have the negotiating clout of the US, and you currently enjoy even less goodwill. Any restrictions you place on the four freedoms will come with a commensurate restriction of your level of access to the single market in addition to delaying negotiations, to the point of completely sabotaging them.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If we leave the Single Market it won't be to create or join a Single Market. So why would a trade deal be to create one?
Johnson is suggesting we have free trade between the Single Market and the UK, from outside. He is not suggesting we be a member of the Single Market.
Not sure why you think that negates a single thing I wrote. Of course there will be negotiations and of course the opening positions of the two parties won't start the same.
Ultimately I hope and expect a reasonable compromise to be reached. The notion that compromise is forbidden by Lisbon is bullshit though. Whether there is a willingness to reach a compromise is entirely different.
WTF. You got every single thing about this arse-backwards wrong. You seem to think that "access" and "membership" are two different things.Had Johnson been talking about membership of the Single Market then yes of course it would be indivisible, but Johnson wasn't talking about membership he was talking about access so it is complete baloney
They. Are. Not.
You obviously completely and utterly ignore such countries as Norway and Switzerland.
In short, you currently want to have your cake and eat it, too. Geeze, man. Your brain is obviously completely shutdown.
And there will be NO compromise regarding free movement. Because a) Switzerland and Norway won't allow it, b) several member countries won't allow it (and they do have Veto rights) and c) you must be daft to think that one of the founding pillars of the EU is open to compromise.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Norway is a member of the Single Market, as such it is required to follow all rules of the Single Market including the four freedoms.
Switzerland is not a member of the Single Market, it has access to the single market based on all trade agreements it has signed with the EU (which includes free movement because they agreed to it).
There is no membership of the single market. Full stop. The EU has members as does EFTA. The EU members have full access to the single market. All others have limited access to the single market either on the basis of the agreement that established the EEA or in the case of Switzerland the so-called bilaterals. Once you are no longer a member of the EU you drop out of the entire structure.
Your ability to negotiate any deals will be severely limited by the fact that countries won't or cannot negotiate with you for as long as at least your WTO standing has been sorted out. Your WTO standing won't be sorted out until you have disentangled yourself from the EU and EEA.
When Obama said you were at the back of the queue he wasn't giving an opinion, he was laying out the legal situation that would be brought about by Brexit.
You bleary-eyed Brexiteers make auto-dafe look like a reasoned act.
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https://www.facebook.com/GuyVerhofst...55001346840016
http://www.politico.eu/article/boris...y-join-the-eu/
Ten years from now a "boris" will be the colloquial term for a bag used to cover penises.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
It was brilliant trolling. Not sure our Foreign Secretary should be acting as a troll, but top level trolling.
*shrug* One man's "Brilliant troll" is another man's "sad attempt to suck up to Turkey". Johnson knows very well Turkey isn't going to join the EU without making some extremely drastic changes that won't be made anytime soon.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I'll take your word for it, since you were defending Merkel's suck-up attempt.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
But it is both British and European policy that Turkey should join the EU once it's completed the acquis communitaire. As odd as it sounds, Johnson is just restating very long standing Foreign Office policy.
Repeating the myth is no real sucking up, certainly nothing like arresting poets or handing over billions of euros to Erdogan.
*shrug* One man's sucking up is another man's understanding of the principles of law in his country
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
It's of course sadder because of Johnson's previously stated views on Turkish EU-membership.
I think you need to decide whether or not this was trolling unbecoming a foreign minister or a legitimate and sincere restatement of established British foreign policy.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
It can't be both?
If it is both then you should be sure that your foreign minister should be acting as a troll.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Given the clowns opposite are trolling constantly too in this phony war stage pre negotiations it makes sense to give as good as you get.
Take this for example: https://www.facebook.com/GuyVerhofst...55001346840016
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