All right, how do you believe parliament will vote on the triggering of article 50?
All right, how do you believe parliament will vote on the triggering of article 50?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I don't know. I imagine barring a successful appeal (v. unlikely) the government's going to go for a short, sharp simple bill authorising it. Brexit opponents are likely to want to amend it to death tying in negotiation issues like Single Market membership etc
It may make sense to go for an early General Election. Be a shame to waste Corbyn so soon but it will make things clearer.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
It will be so funny if they wind up holding a new referendum.
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A new referendum barring new circumstances would go the way of Winchester 97.
You also weren't going to have new elections any time soon. Yet they are just around the corner right now.
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But that's what he wanted all along! Just like he really didn't want to be part of the single market. Don't read his previous posts. That was an imposter posting.
Hope is the denial of reality
I'd rather not need an early election (there's still three and a half years left on this Parliament) but if one becomes necessary I'm the most confident I've ever been that we'd win it.
The idea of Jeremy Corbyn as PM is just too horrifying to imagine.
I don't think they have the parliamentary math to call an early election? That was true after Brexit and it's just as true now, so they'd have to come up with some legislation for it and, really, don't they have more important things to be doing? You know, the whole Brexit thing?
Just call the damn vote, which they'd win, and get on with it.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
A few more resignations of Tories who don't want to have Brexit on their conscience and the government no longer has a majority. Have your cake and keep it so to say. Just like Boris promised.
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You're assuming every non-Tory MP would vote against Brexit. Far from certain they'd do that, especially given that May probably would call a new election right after losing a Brexit vote, at which the Labour party would be annihilated. Are they going to risk that just to delay the inevitable, especially given that Corbyn and his tendency are, at best, ambivalent about the EU?
I say they will not. A Brexit vote would place Labour in very difficult position, actually.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
There are three ways to call an early election.
1 New legislation to repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act. Not going to happen.
2 Vote of No Confidence on the government followed by no new Vote of Confidence afterwards on either this or a new government within a fortnight. Requires just a simple majority in the Commons which the government has.
3 Two thirds supermajority Commons vote declaring the date of a new vote.
Realistically the opposition can oppose the first but can't oppose the second or third.
There are two by elections. One was triggered by Heathrow on a longstanding promise by someone who campaigned FOR Brexit.
The second was by someone who campaigned FOR Brexit too. On top of earning £750,000 a year from another job he'll have more time to concentrate on. Oh and will be replaced at a by election bring the majority back up.
Quite to the contrary; I assume that there will be very few MP's in the present parliament being brave enough to vote against Brexit. Those being against it can however deny government a majority well before there's a vote on Brexit. Then the question is no longer about Brexit but about the chance of survival of a Tory minority government under Theresa May and the three Brexiteers.
Stepping down also has the advantage of not being responsible if hard Brexit turns out a disaster.
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FTFY.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The Indian demand of free-er movement in exchange for free trade made me chuckle.
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This just in: UK Government still has no strategy on how to actually go about the Brexit.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...alks-hxfwmv2td
May be hidden behind a paywall but the gist is this:
- There are over 500 projects but no joint strategy
- Every ministry has its own plan, but the government itself has none
- The report also states that it may take up to 6 months until the government can agree on the proper priorities
- They'd also need an additional 10,000 to 30,000 employees.
Of course they're denying that now.
The BBC thinks otherwise:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37986590
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Consultant from Deloitte not involved in the planning unilaterally writes a memo advising that the government hires tens of thousands of people - presumably many of them from Deloitte.
Yeah that's news. Or not.
Yes, keep on repeating the party line. As of yet, your government has yet to show that the report is not grounded in truth. Well, when we see March come and go, I'll remind you of this.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Basic facts are the truth not a party line.
Due to political pressure Deloitte had to make an official statement saying that memo was drafted without talking to govt officials which is most likely a half-truth at best but the official truth for now even though senior civil servants have indicated that it's not far off the mark.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yes, because the government never lies.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Considering as Aimless has written that Deloitte have themselves said that this was an internal memo and not a government one ... why should we view this as a lie?
Dude, are you off your meds again?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I'm not on any.
Doesn't look like it. Listen, the "This memo was written by someone without a clue" doesn't really wash considering the fact that your government has yet to show a clear and concise direction on how to tackle the Brexit.
I'm seeing two outcomes:
a) Your government will indeed trigger article 51 in March but it will be half-assed and without a unifying theme. The motto will be: "We'll make it up as we go along."
b) March will come and go. Your government will either self-destruct in a spectacular manner or the rest of the EU will grow tired of your shenanigans and tell you: "Well, if you can't fuckoff on your own we'll make you fuckoff."
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The government is deliberately keeping cards close to its chest. The fact that someone in Deloitte doesn't know what the plan is doesn't mean that the government doesn't have a plan or isn't working on the plan right now which is why Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet.
So you've missed outcome three:
c) The government will indeed trigger Article 50 in March with a plan prepared by then.
We'll see in March, my dear. And you'll be a very sore loser.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
So you say.
You know Randblade, what is actually the funniest part is that it doesn't really matter much if your government has a plan or not. If you doubt that, ask the Swiss.
Basically it works like this; May comes with a suggestion which is either in line with the EU fundamental rules or it's not. If it's not the EU will advise her on the improvements she may make. If they're not so friendly they will simply start repeating that they are aware of the problems the UK government has, and that it is looking forward to that governments workable solution for that problem.
In the Swiss case the last offer they came with was; we will put a limit on EU-migration to Switzerland when an emergency arises and IF the EU lets us. And I don't even know if that masterpiece will be accepted by the EU.
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So you keep saying though it's noteworthy that Merkel budged already from her usual lines yesterday.
Who even knows where the EU will stand by 2019? With the horror scenario of potentially soon having Presidents Orban, Le Pen and Hofer who knows what the EU's values will look like?
Okay, who let this moron anywhere near a talk about Brexit?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7420706.html
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
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