Yes we are. Tell us what developed nations we DO need a visa to visit?Originally Posted by Loki
Hint: We didn't need visas to go on holiday in Europe pre-EEC and outside of Europe all visas free tourism deals are bilateral and have nothing to do with the EU.
Imposing visas for work maybe but no nation would benefit from imposing nations for tourism which is why none ever have.
Which developed nations require visas for tourists to visit the Schengen zone currently?
Which developed nations requires visas for British tourists?
It is a frankly absurd suggestion that tourism would ever need a visa. Anyone who suggests that is not being serious.
I don't think you realize how negotiations, especially multilateral ones with lots of veto points, work...
Hope is the denial of reality
He also doesn't realize that a*"train crash" exit which*they're currently heading towards WILL mean visas. Because a*visa-exempt status needs*agreements.
Just ask Turkey about that.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
There are a number of nations in Africa and Asia that require British citizens to obtain tourist visas. They are obviously not common destinations for British tourists but it refutes your claim that no nation has ever required visas for tourists.
I don't believe UK citizens will require tourist visas to enter most EU member states in the future, but it is entirely possible that the UK will require visas for citizens of those nations it finds less savory, eg. Romania, Bulgaria etc. who would therefore find it in their interest to threaten to veto any agreement that doesn't guarantee their citizens the right to visa-free travel to the UK.
In general you should expect the EU to inconvenience your citizens at least as much as you will inconvenience theirs.
Even without visa requirements, British citizens will no longer enjoy fast-track processing and will probably have to pay to register through ETIAS. Air-travel between the UK and the EU should become more expensive and bringing back wine, spirits etc. will certainly become more expensive for British citizens. Issues with coverage for medical care may or may not arise.
I believe Turkey is the only developed nation for which there is a visa requirement for travel to the Schengen Area. Nevertheless, the point is immaterial as a large number of developed nations to which British citizens have visa-free access are also EU member states within which freedom of movement is guaranteed. In other words, the evidence you point to includes the benefits of EU membership. The visa-free travel British citizens enjoyed in many/most European countries prior to joining the EEC was also before Schengen.Which developed nations require visas for tourists to visit the Schengen zone currently?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The - I'm not a racist ' Brit thinks he can decide which EU states are unsavory and which aren't. He also believes that there are bilateral visa agreements under Schengen.
Congratulations America
While it is interesting to think about how the negotiations may play out it's perhaps equally interesting--and, in the short term, perhaps more important--to consider about how the behavior of British consumers may change over the next few years.
https://www.ft.com/content/c061e51a-...3-7e34c07b46ef
https://www.ft.com/content/15837254-...b-680c49b4b4c0
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Looks like Rand et al. are one step closer to their expert-less utopia: https://www.timeshighereducation.com...er-brexit-vote
Hope is the denial of reality
Bit of an odd metric to use though. All those academics may know the same people
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Developed nation. Africa isn't well known for being full of developed nations.
No it's not possible we will require visa from those nations for tourists. Nobody in office has come even close to suggesting that.I don't believe UK citizens will require tourist visas to enter most EU member states in the future, but it is entirely possible that the UK will require visas for citizens of those nations it finds less savory, eg. Romania, Bulgaria etc. who would therefore find it in their interest to threaten to veto any agreement that doesn't guarantee their citizens the right to visa-free travel to the UK.
Of course the key to any deal is reciprocity.In general you should expect the EU to inconvenience your citizens at least as much as you will inconvenience theirs.
Like how I need to deal with all that when I cross the pond? No big deal. Filling in advanced passenger information when you buy your tickets (or after) is no burden.Even without visa requirements, British citizens will no longer enjoy fast-track processing and will probably have to pay to register through ETIAS. Air-travel between the UK and the EU should become more expensive and bringing back wine, spirits etc. will certainly become more expensive for British citizens. Issues with coverage for medical care may or may not arise.
Why would any nation want to reject preexisting and reciprocal deals? Why would they turn away their slice of over £31bn in tourism per year?I believe Turkey is the only developed nation for which there is a visa requirement for travel to the Schengen Area. Nevertheless, the point is immaterial as a large number of developed nations to which British citizens have visa-free access are also EU member states within which freedom of movement is guaranteed. In other words, the evidence you point to includes the benefits of EU membership. The visa-free travel British citizens enjoyed in many/most European countries prior to joining the EEC was also before Schengen.
No he doesn't and no he doesn't. You made both of those fallacious claims up and owe me an apology for that slander and those lies.
Yawn. Still relying upon discredited surveys for your claims? Especially with surveys with long discredited question formats?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...obert-goodwill
Continue living in your pretend-land, Rand.
Hope is the denial of reality
What's that link got to do with anything I've discussed here?
I see nothing in that link that is outrageous or shocking.
If we don't reach a deal with the EU then of course the same rules should apply to EEA workers that currently apply to non-EEA workers. No s##t Sherlock. Of course if we do reach a deal, then that will be covered by whatever deal we negotiate. Pre-negotiations though nothing should be off the table and the default assumption must be that no-deal means that EEA is nothing special and normal rules apply. In the absence of a deal then our trade will be nothing special and non-EEA WTO rules would apply so of course non-EEA migration rules must too.
If that means businesses pay more for workers then that is already the case for non-EEA workers anyway. In the absence of a negotiated deal why on Earth should a skilled German, Frog or Romanian be treated differently to a skilled American, Indian or Australian? If business shouldn't pay that levy as its damaging then why is it paying it for Indians etc?
Good to see in that link some sane migration moves being made like excluding seasonal workers from the immigration totals. Next we should exclude students (though not graduates) from it too.
sounds like a red-white-and-blue free market and liberalization policy
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Precisely
Of course, anyone who actually believes in free market and liberalization would object very strongly to this tax on the use of skilled foreign labor. This policy is quite red white and blue by virtue of its xenophobic anti-free-market populism.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I object to it globally for Indians not just Germans.
I don't object to the law being applied equitably for Germans the same as Indians if there is no deal.
Understand the distinction yet? The tax on foreign labour is not a new tax, it is just a tax that currently Europeans will be exempt from but if we leave and don't get a deal then they should not be exempt from it. Unless you think there is a logical non-racist reason that without a comprehensive deal in place white Europeans should be exempt from taxes but Indians and other emigres should not?
Visas for Brits sounds better every single day. No reason why white Brits should be treated different than Morroccans.
Congratulations America
Completely agreed, in the absence of a deal of course that should be the case.
The immigration skills charge in question comes into effect April this year and its existence calls into question Britain's purported commitment to free market principles. That is the embarrassing issue here. The minister and the govt. both implicitly expressed support for continuing that policy into the future, which is the outrageous part.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The minister and the government was elected on a mandate to reduce immigration to the tension of thousands. I don't like it but it was in the manifesto. Free market for goods and services doesn't have to mean free movement of people.
Wasn't sure whether to put this in the Trump or Brexit thread: http://www.politico.eu/article/donal...xt-to-eu-exit/
So Mr Juncker how's your mission of "educating the president-elect on what Europe is and how it works" going?
I think it's safe to say that geopolitically being out of the European Union has not put us to the "back of the queue" anymore.
Yes, listen to the morons around a guy who thinks that pissing off China is a great idea.Wasn't sure whether to put this in the Trump or Brexit thread: http://www.politico.eu/article/donal...xt-to-eu-exit/
So Mr Juncker how's your mission of "educating the president-elect on what Europe is and how it works" going?
I think it's safe to say that geopolitically being out of the European Union has not put us to the "back of the queue" anymore.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
We should instead listen to the morons around a drunk who thinks that pissing off USA is a great idea?
Well, being drunk morons is par for the course for Brits, so you should feel right at home.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Not at work it's not ...
... nothing wrong after hours.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7526901.html
Interesting that pro-Tory rags are jumping to defend Trump's honor.
Hope is the denial of reality
Your link has sod all to do with your line. Though journalistic integrity should have prevented that nonsense from getting published.
CNN jumped into bed with Buzzfeed and you won't believe what happened next ...
Have you tried reading to the bottom of an article?
Hope is the denial of reality
Yes an unsubstantiated claim to a single unnamed newspaper that will not be associated to the Tories. Utter meaningless drivel.
Considering almost every American paper endorsed Clinton that's the equivalent of me tarnishing all pro-Democrat rags based on an unlinked, unnamed criticism of one of them.
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