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  1. #91
    Honestly, I see this shit all the time, from all sides of the political spectrum. 'waaah, [x] pissed me off so I decided to be deliberately wrong out of spite"

    I find this attitude entirely baffling.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  2. #92
    Never mind climate change, we have tens of millions of Lewk's brethren all across the US convinced Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim hell-bent on destroying Christianity on behalf of Islamist terrorists before selling the survivors as slaves to this Chinese owners.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Given that your favored sources--gleeful purveyors of fake news and bullshit one and all--are the ones that have enabled the Trump presidency I think it's fair to say you're full of it.
    Name a few conservatively slanted sources you respect.

  4. #94
    Economist, Times, the Telegraph I find mildly revolting but they've done some good investigative journalism over the years including breaking the MP expenses story so I respect them for that.

    Now you do some liberal sources you respect.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  5. #95
    I love the right-wing obsession with "mainstream media". The mainstream media occasionally makes greater claims than it can substantiate and provides mediocre analysis. The other "media" makes shit up, frequently on purpose. Somehow the flaws of the former provide credibility to the latter.
    Last edited by Loki; 02-02-2017 at 12:50 AM.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  6. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Economist, Times, the Telegraph I find mildly revolting but they've done some good investigative journalism over the years including breaking the MP expenses story so I respect them for that.

    Now you do some liberal sources you respect.
    New Statesman, Independent, Guardian in that order.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  7. #97
    All the broadsheets do a reasonably decent job actually reporting the news, it's usually the editorial stances that get people from The Other Side annoyed.

    I strongly dislike the Telegraph, but if they report Thing there's a good chance Thing actually happened, which is more than you can say for, e.g. Breitbart or the garbage put out on social media.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  8. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Economist, Times, the Telegraph I find mildly revolting but they've done some good investigative journalism over the years including breaking the MP expenses story so I respect them for that.

    Now you do some liberal sources you respect.
    Times? NY Times? Or something else?

    Generally speaking I don't respect sources that claim to be objective but deliver a liberal slant on reporting. I appreciate individuals like Nate Silver who make it clear where their preferences are but spend a good amount of time explaining how and why they come to their conclusions. (In his case it is limited to polling and election results but I've always found his posts to be relatively clear eyed and respectable.) I generally use multiple sources to determine how 'true' something is, for general fact consumption as opposed to analysis Reuters keeps it relatively objective. It is important to keep in mind that bias is not just about factual/non-factual reporting but on WHAT stories get aired. When they get aired, the adjectives used int he story etc. Also what facts are presented. You could have a crime rate that was 3.4 per 1,000 in 1990, 2.4 in 2000 and 3.3 in 2010. The news piece could say "Crime up almost 50% in 10 years) or it could say "crime lower than it was in 1990" both are true but one is clearly pushing an agenda of some sort.

  9. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I love the right-wing obsession with "mainstream media". The mainstream media occasionally makes greater claims than it can substantiate and provides mediocre analysis. The other "media" makes shit up, frequently on purpose. Somehow the flaws of the former provide credibility to the latter.
    It goes far beyond that. MSM has done things over the years to push agendas, sure you have out and out hoaxes like Dan Rather's Bush NG service but that's rare.

  10. #100
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...33925#comments

    As a reminder folks the media doesn't fact check before throwing out shit these days. Never trust the media. While I'm sure some places will cover the story that it turned out to be a lie most won't make it as prominent as the original.

  11. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    It goes far beyond that. MSM has done things over the years to push agendas, sure you have out and out hoaxes like Dan Rather's Bush NG service but that's rare.
    And somehow this negates the fact that alternatives make shit up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...33925#comments

    As a reminder folks the media doesn't fact check before throwing out shit these days. Never trust the media. While I'm sure some places will cover the story that it turned out to be a lie most won't make it as prominent as the original.
    I thought we're not supposed to trust the media, yet you're citing the media correcting the story? Incidentally, the original story was published by...wait for it...Fox.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  12. #102
    The media is going to skewer this guy for such an obvious lie. The retraction from fox hit the top spot on reddit's front page, more than double the score of the original claim.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  13. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    New Statesman, Independent, Guardian in that order.
    Bullshit! I've seen your posts, there is not even a teensy bit or respect for the Guardian.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  14. #104
    Think he called it The Grauniad last time it was used as a source. Not that it says much, name calling is his go to crutch when he has no actual argument or rebuttal to contribute. The time before that he compared it to the daily mail though
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  15. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Bullshit! I've seen your posts, there is not even a teensy bit or respect for the Guardian.
    I view the Guardian or as I prefer to call it the Grauniad to be a very biased left wing paper comparable to the Mail. I still have a healthy respect for it in a way I don't for The Mirror that is just a tabloid rag. Respect doesn't mean like, I don't like the Guardian. You can respect an enemy.
    Last edited by RandBlade; 02-02-2017 at 10:26 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  16. #106
    Comparing the Guardian to the Mail puts you in Sean Spicer territory.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  17. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Why do you object to Mail articles but not Grauniad ones? They're both as bad as each other, at least I object to both equally ...
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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  19. #109
    You can object to things and hold a measure of respect for them at the same time. As I said in the next post the Grauniad and the Fail both do investigative journalism as well as having extreme biases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  20. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Comparing the Guardian to the Mail puts you in Sean Spicer territory.
    Why because only the right is objectionable to you and not the left? The Guardian are extremely left wing and the mirror image to the Mirror.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  21. #111
    The quality of journalism and the type of content differ greatly between the two but you're such a damn' snowflake that you can't parse out the editorial content.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  22. #112
    The quality of journalism is similar.

    Glad you've accepted that snowflake is an acceptable insult and not racist abuse. You're maturing, credit to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  23. #113
    The quality of journalism is not similar unless your definition of "similar" is "written more or less in the same language". No-one here has ever thought that snowflake is a racist insult. It is however an identifier of alt-right racists. Because y'all are such snowflakes I've decided to appropriate the term that describes you so well
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  24. #114
    Show me any objective reason that the Guardian is objectively better quality journalism. Snowflake is not an identifier of anything.

    Are you calling me an alt-right racist? If so I'd ask you to defend that, please quote anything racist that I have EVER written here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The quality of journalism is not similar unless your definition of "similar" is "written more or less in the same language". No-one here has ever thought that snowflake is a racist insult. It is however an identifier of alt-right racists. Because y'all are such snowflakes I've decided to appropriate the term that describes you so well
    Alt right-er racists like Chuck Palahniuk?

  26. #116
    They love that guy
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  27. #117
    Because he is a member of the alt right and a racist?

  28. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    They love that guy
    Thats cause the morons think he invented the use of snowflake as an insult. Nothing like seeing conservatives using language popularized by an openly gay author who writes shock-value stories about debauched sexual experiences.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  29. #119
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  30. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Because he is a member of the alt right and a racist?
    No because they love Tyler Durden.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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