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    Regardless of how many, arresting them is surely no more of a solution than arresting the people who used to hold crazy Islamist signs at demonstrations in London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Regardless of how many, arresting them is surely no more of a solution than arresting the people who used to hold crazy Islamist signs at demonstrations in London.
    Arresting people in the army who have access to weapons and are suspected of being member of a terrorist organisation is a bad thing now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Arresting people in the army who have access to weapons and are suspected of being member of a terrorist organisation is a bad thing now?
    I haven't bothered to research it but I'm troubled by this section:

    "“Their glorification of Nazis and celebration of terrorism are just some examples of this group’s atrocious actions.”"

    If the group hasn't funded terrorists, if it hasn't conducted terrorist actions and hasn't threatened terrorist actions are they actually a terrorist group? If the one thing the article points to is 'celebration of terrorism and glorification of Nazis' that shouldn't lead to arrests. You shouldn't arrest people publicly proclaiming 'yeah what these dudes did was good' because that makes it harder to investigate them, and by all means investigate them for any actual terroristic plans/actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I haven't bothered to research it but I'm troubled by this section:

    "“Their glorification of Nazis and celebration of terrorism are just some examples of this group’s atrocious actions.”"

    If the group hasn't funded terrorists, if it hasn't conducted terrorist actions and hasn't threatened terrorist actions are they actually a terrorist group? If the one thing the article points to is 'celebration of terrorism and glorification of Nazis' that shouldn't lead to arrests. You shouldn't arrest people publicly proclaiming 'yeah what these dudes did was good' because that makes it harder to investigate them, and by all means investigate them for any actual terroristic plans/actions.
    Not under normal law, no. If these were under the auspices of whatever the UK uses for military law though, that's a different matter. You don't necessarily have the same legal freedoms a civilian would have.
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    At the very least there is no place for Nazis in our military.

    Under the same logic as placing under close supervision those who glorify Islamic terrorism it would be worthwhile to put these guys under closer spook supervision to see if they commit a crime as civilians too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I haven't bothered to research it but I'm troubled by this section:

    "“Their glorification of Nazis and celebration of terrorism are just some examples of this group’s atrocious actions.”"

    If the group hasn't funded terrorists, if it hasn't conducted terrorist actions and hasn't threatened terrorist actions are they actually a terrorist group? If the one thing the article points to is 'celebration of terrorism and glorification of Nazis' that shouldn't lead to arrests. You shouldn't arrest people publicly proclaiming 'yeah what these dudes did was good' because that makes it harder to investigate them, and by all means investigate them for any actual terroristic plans/actions.
    A) Same can be said for a lot of Islamic groups on the list but fair point, but
    B) The guy who stabbed that MP used the group's slogan, and that's about the same link with a bunch of the recent IS attacks.

    Also in the military you don't want members of hate groups in general, high standard and all that. I'm pretty sure you need a background check to join (I know you do for police).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    At the very least there is no place for Nazis in our military.

    Under the same logic as placing under close supervision those who glorify Islamic terrorism it would be worthwhile to put these guys under closer spook supervision to see if they commit a crime as civilians too.
    I fully agree they should be under close supervision. One of the dangers of creating punitive penalties for speech is that it makes it harder to get these folks on the radar. It drives it underground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Arresting people in the army who have access to weapons and are suspected of being member of a terrorist organisation is a bad thing now?
    Well yes, in the military you lose all sorts of rights so that is likely appropriate.

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