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    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    lol read the next few lines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    lol read the next few lines
    You want us to read the lines where he outright tells Sessions it was his job as AG to protect Trump from special council investigations? I think we've read them, Lewk.

    I think if you compare the articles of impeachment they got Nixon with, they could get Trump on every single one except bombing Cambodia if there were such a thing as principled Republic in Congress, or if the Dems had a spine.

    Even on collusion, the report is far from an exoneration: we have Manafort sharing polling data with a Russian operative, we have DJR and Kushner meeting with a Russian to get dirt on Clinton, we have the Trump campaign and Trump himself aware of the impending Wikileaks e-mail dump and coordinating his campaign strategy around it, and so on and so on. Mueller wasn't able to get enough evidence to rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, but the report also points out that a lot of evidence was unavailable to him, or he was obstructed by witnesses lying, deleting emails, using encrypted chat programs etc.

    In a normal political environment, the report would have been devastating, but sadly we're not in one.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    You want us to read the lines where he outright tells Sessions it was his job as AG to protect Trump from special council investigations? I think we've read them, Lewk.

    I think if you compare the articles of impeachment they got Nixon with, they could get Trump on every single one except bombing Cambodia if there were such a thing as principled Republic in Congress, or if the Dems had a spine.

    Even on collusion, the report is far from an exoneration: we have Manafort sharing polling data with a Russian operative, we have DJR and Kushner meeting with a Russian to get dirt on Clinton, we have the Trump campaign and Trump himself aware of the impending Wikileaks e-mail dump and coordinating his campaign strategy around it, and so on and so on. Mueller wasn't able to get enough evidence to rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, but the report also points out that a lot of evidence was unavailable to him, or he was obstructed by witnesses lying, deleting emails, using encrypted chat programs etc.

    In a normal political environment, the report would have been devastating, but sadly we're not in one.
    You are joking right? Bill Clinton's impeachment set t he precedence that politicians don't need to vote based on what happened, they just do it on politics. There is 0 doubt that Clinton lied under oath and yet he's found innocent by the senate.

    It's crazy how Democrats are so often the first to do something and then get all pissy when Republicans do it. Reid goes nuclear and that's fine but then Republicans do it, it is some sort of evil travesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You are joking right? Bill Clinton's impeachment set t he precedence that politicians don't need to vote based on what happened, they just do it on politics. There is 0 doubt that Clinton lied under oath and yet he's found innocent by the senate.

    It's crazy how Democrats are so often the first to do something and then get all pissy when Republicans do it. Reid goes nuclear and that's fine but then Republicans do it, it is some sort of evil travesty.
    Sorry, what part of that are you objecting to? The part where I said republicans in congress had no principles?
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    In a normal political environment, the report would have been devastating, but sadly we're not in one.
    Agreed. It probably didn't help that Trump cried Russia Witch Hunt Hoax ad nauseum for 2 yrs, with outlets like Fox News/Breitbart/Limbaugh etc. happily parroting. They also called any negative coverage Fake News, and didn't distinguish Russian troll-bots or others actually disseminating False Facts. KellyAnne Conway's "alternative facts" or Sarah Huckabee Sander's lies weren't accidental.

    It's all just a messaging game for Trump and his toadies; flood the zone with memes to create doubt, distract, deny. When the mainstream media covers Trump's Twittering, which they're obliged to do, it can perpetuate Trump's chosen words (like "collusion). And he took advantage of the information void since the Mueller team was disciplined and didn't leak.

    The report WAS devastating because it outlined Trump's several attempts to obstruct justice and did NOT totally exonerate him. (Apparently even the AG is willing to lie to the public, another devastating revelation.) It's made worse that the Russian hacking/interference isn't taken seriously because Trump believes Putin over our own intelligence agencies....and cyber security for our next election remains vulnerable.

    I don't know if that's more obstruction of justice, or more abuse of power, or an abdication of his presidential oath....but they're all impeachable offenses. He's also violating the Emoluments Clause, but that court case is pending. The problem is that the Senate Republicans will never vote to impeach, let alone censure. And the process takes so long it wouldn't be completed before the 2020 election anyway.

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