What the hell is libertarianism?

[GGT]

I'm wondering about how one could portray in cartoon the fact that libertarians are "fiscal conservatives and social liberals," yet it seems that when they vote, 98% of them choose "fiscal conservative." They always pick the money over the social, yet they wonder why so many people consider libertarian synonymous with "selfish."

They don't buy pet food, but just give their pets dinner scraps, or throw them out the door to hunt for food, but they'll go to the vet for parasitic meds because they got worms, ticks or fleas by foraging for their food?

[Young Mage]

I'm wondering about how one could portray in cartoon the fact that libertarians are "fiscal conservatives and social liberals," yet it seems that when they vote, 98% of them choose "fiscal conservative." They always pick the money over the social, yet they wonder why so many people consider libertarian synonymous with "selfish."

Not everything is black and white, you should maybe factor in a few more variables. I'd burn all the big-nosed-JP Morgans in the world if it meant saving a couple of dollars in this economy.

[']['ear]

Not everything is black and white, you should maybe factor in a few more variables.

How many times have I said this to Lewk? I long ago arrived at the conclusion that moderation was best in most things, especially politics. My point was that while the "fiscal conservative+social liberal" definition of libertarian is spot on, it is telling that when push comes to shove, they'll vote conservative almost every time. That tells you a lot about the root cause of their philosophical stance.

I'd burn all the big-nosed-JP Morgans in the world if it meant saving a couple of dollars in this economy.

Wha?
1) Burn?
2) Big nosed?
3) JP Morgans?
4) A couple of dollars?
5) In this economy?

This might be the most weird-assed post I've seen from somebody other than Kath in months.

[Young Mage]

How many times have I said this to Lewk? I long ago arrived at the conclusion that moderation was best in most things, especially politics. My point was that while the "fiscal conservative+social liberal" definition of libertarian is spot on, it is telling that when push comes to shove, they'll vote conservative almost every time. That tells you a lot about the root cause of their philosophical stance.

I robbed a man because my daughter is dying of cancer and I'm working three jobs. I still don't have enough money to buy her the proper medicine. Should I go to jail?

Wha?
1) Burn?
2) Big nosed?
3) JP Morgans?
4) A couple of dollars?
5) In this economy?

This might be the most weird-assed post I've seen from somebody other than Kath in months.

Figure out who JP Morgan is
Figure out which race has big noses
Figure out who the biggest Jew to walk this planet was
Connect the dots and come back to me.

[CitizenCain]

How many times have I said this to Lewk? I long ago arrived at the conclusion that moderation was best in most things, especially politics. My point was that while the "fiscal conservative+social liberal" definition of libertarian is spot on, it is telling that when push comes to shove, they'll vote conservative almost every time. That tells you a lot about the root cause of their philosophical stance.

No, it tells you that if you give the government more money, no matter its intentions, it will have more power when it eventually decides to abuse it. (And based on the current administration, "eventually" == one month, at the outside.)

You only need look at the Obama administrations virtually identical record (to the Bush Jr. administration) on social liberties to explain why libertarians don't bother voting Democrat - the Democrats are every bit as bad about social liberties as the Republicans are, just from the other side of the aisle. And historically, they charge more (though that may have changed with neo/compassionate conservatism).

Also, that cartoon is poorly drawn and retarded. If house pets were Democrats, they'd own 40% of your house and insist on laws to prevent discrimination against any animals. olololololol, ZOMG1111!!.

[Nessus]

Have you been to Russia? Big nose is not a Slavic trait

[CitizenCain]

Russians aren't Slavs.

Try looking a bit south-east of Russistan.

[Nessus]

I take it you're mad at uncle Joe for mixing the races?

[littlelolligagged]

Psssst.

It's not a Jew's nose that is big. Don't spread the wrong information.

[Spawnie]

I slept with a black chick. It was awesome. You mean to tell me that white supremacists would frown upon my tapping that ass?

Bunch of pigfuckers... what next?

[']['ear]

Suit yourself, man. I'm not convinced. The Dems, after all, sacrificed their political power in a third of the country to bring us the Civil Rights acts. They did so knowingly, too. Had we left it to the Reps, we might have had it by the 90s. Then again, judging by Thurmond, Helms and Trent Lott, perhaps not.

And thanks for correcting "insure." I really should proof my posts, but I struggle to care that much.

[CitizenCain]

Suit yourself, man. I'm not convinced. The Dems, after all, sacrificed their political power in a third of the country to bring us the Civil Rights acts. They did so knowingly, too.

And back in the '60's, the Republicans sacrificed their political power in more than *half* the country, to free the blacks. So clearly, the Republican party is the party for people who are concerned about minority rights.

Or, maybe I concern myself more with the modern day, and worry about what each party actually does *now*, rather than puzzle over ancient history, and vote based on policy of a by-gone era, from before I was even born. And now, these days, the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans on social issues.

[']['ear]

I think there's some truth to what you say. The country swung rightwards, and the Dems followed. Pretty much right and left branch of the business party.

[Spawnie]

Well, they're not big on Jews either... and if you admit to sekzing one, they put you through lengthy and painful interrogation to ensure that you haven't been subverted by the Zionists. Looking back, it wasn't so bad, and they do assure me that my testicle will grow back soon.

Yey. Ive done a jew too! A bona-fide New Yawk jew called Bernstein. I felt so cultured and hip.

[CitizenCain]

I think there's some truth to what you say. The country swung rightwards, and the Dems followed. Pretty much right and left branch of the business party.

Well, depends what you mean on the "right swing." Sure, none of the cool kids show up at the Klan meetings anymore, and it's not socially acceptable to beat the gaymosexuals and leave them to die of exposure, tied to a fence... but, on the other hand, the "gub'mint owes me free shit" attitude is a lot more common and acceptable these days than it was, even as recently as when I was a kid.

And now with the whole "compassionate conservative" bullshit, it doesn't even look like the Republicans are any better fiscally than the Democrats. If I were the optimistic type, I'd say I hope that they can still be slighty better. Like I said in the Chinese homework thread, it's Demlicans and Republocrats. Never have the differences between the two parties been so small as they are today.

[Young Mage]

Well, depends what you mean on the "right swing." Sure, none of the cool kids show up at the Klan meetings anymore, and it's not socially acceptable to beat the gaymosexuals and leave them to die of exposure, tied to a fence... but, on the other hand, the "gub'mint owes me free shit" attitude is a lot more common and acceptable these days than it was, even as recently as when I was a kid.

And now with the whole "compassionate conservative" bullshit, it doesn't even look like the Republicans are any better fiscally than the Democrats. If I were the optimistic type, I'd say I hope that they can still be slighty better. Like I said in the Chinese homework thread, it's Demlicans and Republocrats. Never have the differences between the two parties been so small as they are today.

Does it really sound like my homework?

[CitizenCain]

Not a whole lot... but I can see how anyone you've irritated around here (which is pretty much everyone) might choose to interpret it that way.