uh, the UK is one of the NATO allies carrying out those tasks.Most, if not all, tasks you mentioend in there are being carried out around the globe by (NATO)allies all the time.
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uh, the UK is one of the NATO allies carrying out those tasks.Most, if not all, tasks you mentioend in there are being carried out around the globe by (NATO)allies all the time.
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My point was that you are part of that allience, so your country doesn't have to have a presence everywhere at any given time, as long as at least one your allies is there. As long as you have full coverage together.Originally Posted by Steely Glint
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Being allies doesn't necessarily mean they have exactly the same agenda as you. Plus, most European navies aren't really blue water navies.
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Britannia waves the rules?
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Britons never never never never never never shall be slaves
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True, but it simply costs too much for each country to have their own global presence. USA is huge, they can manage it, but the UK is far smaller. Aren't most of your navy's current tasks performed with allies anyway? (e.g. fighting drug smuggling in the Caribbean, fighting pirates, managing embargo's..). I'm not really sure about the navy capabilities of European countries, but for almost all current navy tasks, it seems that for example the Dutch navy is well equipped.
And last time someone invaded your Islands, didn't you still send a fleet from the UK?
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What do you mean, a 'global presence'? Do you mean having enough ships to be able to respond to any event in any part of the globe? If so, that hasn't been true of Royal Navy for about 50 years, and nor is cost effective (or strategically necessary) to make it true. Or do you mean "having a presence somewhere on the globe away from the UK"? It's really not that expensive: the French still manage it, for example, as does the RN - though it is finding it increasingly difficult after a decade of merciless cuts.
Yes. Keyword: with. Not "by". If RN ships suddenly aren't doing something they were expected to be doing because there's no money, that is not a good thing for either the UK or her allies.Aren't most of your navy's current tasks performed with allies anyway?
The Dutch navy has some good shit, but it doesn't have many ships. 6 major surface units and 2 landing ships, would give you... maybe four ships deployable at any given time?(e.g. fighting drug smuggling in the Caribbean, fighting pirates, managing embargo's..). I'm not really sure about the navy capabilities of European countries, but for almost all current navy tasks, it seems that for example the Dutch navy is well equipped.
I'm not sure that would still be possible today, depending on the opposition. It's not a good time: old ships are being decommissioned and new ones aren't appearing quick enough to keep up fleet strength.And last time someone invaded your Islands, didn't you still send a fleet from the UK?
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I meant the first, as in that YOUR navy can't be around everywhere. E.g. they weren't in the Caribbean, but is that really a bad thing?Agreed, you do not an adequate fleet with adequate funding. My point was merely that you cannot be EVERYWHERE, and it is therefore a good thing that you can rely on your allies in the places you cannot be at that time.Yes. Keyword: with. Not "by". If RN ships suddenly aren't doing something they were expected to be doing because there's no money, that is not a good thing for either the UK or her allies.
Something like that yes. Decreased a lot in the past decades (18 major surface units in '93, 6 now...). And we need those around the Antilles to invade Venezuela, of course (Chavez claims we are planning that :P). Building 4 new ocean vessels though, it seems using some cutting edge technologies. Neat!The Dutch navy has some good shit, but it doesn't have many ships. 6 major surface units and 2 landing ships, would give you... maybe four ships deployable at any given time?
I think one of our ships is in Haiti now by the way. And I know they were also around to help for Katrina (and weren't allowed to go to New Orleans by the Americans, I heard: would be bad PR if the first to arrive in some areas weren't American but Dutch.
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Yeah. They didn't pick the Caribbean out of a hat for a permenant Royal Navy presence, it's where most of the remaining overseas territories are. Imagine if it had been Anguilla or British Virgin Islands hit by a major natural disaster.I meant the first, as in that YOUR navy can't be around everywhere. E.g. they weren't in the Caribbean, but is that really a bad thing?
But we have no ships in the pacific, for example, because there's no reason for them to be there.
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Fair enough, didn't know exactly where you still have territories. It's the same reason we have a presence there.
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