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  1. #3751
    I don't begin to understand their decision here. They even refused to uphold mask requirements and since when has regulating workplace safety gear not been part of OSHA's remit?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  2. #3752
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I don't begin to understand their decision here. They even refused to uphold mask requirements and since when has regulating workplace safety gear not been part of OSHA's remit?
    At least four of them are insane when it comes to religious freedom. They believe it trumps every other right.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  3. #3753
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    At least four of them are insane when it comes to religious freedom. They believe it trumps every other right.
    But there's no fucking religious freedom at play here. They explicitly acknowledge that in upholding the Medicare requirement and in refusing to hear the challenge to the NY mandate.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  4. #3754
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I don't begin to understand their decision here. They even refused to uphold mask requirements and since when has regulating workplace safety gear not been part of OSHA's remit?
    The reason is the use of power for partisan ends. They're disregarding/making up doctrines on an ad hoc basis to that end.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  5. #3755
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I don't begin to understand their decision here. They even refused to uphold mask requirements and since when has regulating workplace safety gear not been part of OSHA's remit?
    OSHA regulations provide protection against occupational hazards. Outside of healthcare flu, colds, etc are not occupational hazards.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  6. #3756
    Everybody knows you can't catch Covid in the workplace.

  7. #3757
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    But there's no fucking religious freedom at play here. They explicitly acknowledge that in upholding the Medicare requirement and in refusing to hear the challenge to the NY mandate.
    I bet they're still angry over a lack of religious waivers on other mandates. There was no sane reason for 4 of them to reject a vaccine mandate for people working in a healthcare setting, and yet they did anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    OSHA regulations provide protection against occupational hazards. Outside of healthcare flu, colds, etc are not occupational hazards.
    Me being around thousands of unvaccinated, unmasked students is a freaking health hazard.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #3758
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    OSHA regulations provide protection against occupational hazards. Outside of healthcare flu, colds, etc are not occupational hazards.
    This is a discussion about the ongoing covid pandemic, not flus and colds.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  9. #3759
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Me being around thousands of unvaccinated, unmasked students is a freaking health hazard.
    Sure, and OSHA is not the government agency that can regulate a solution to that. Now if chalk dust is choking teachers to death that is something they can regulate. They cannot regulate away the possibility a mass shooter attends your school anymore than they can regulate away the possibility that sick people will attend and make you sick. Different agency maybe but not OSHA.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  10. #3760
    Worry not. My school enables mass shooters as much as it does Covid.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  11. #3761
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post


    Me being around thousands of unvaccinated, unmasked students is a freaking health hazard.
    Why not just get a vaccine? Surely you believe it protects you.

  12. #3762
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Why not just get a vaccine? Surely you believe it protects you.
    How are you so fucking stupid? How the fuck do you put food on the table, you utter moron?
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  13. #3763
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Why not just get a vaccine? Surely you believe it protects you.
    Serious question: my chances of being seriously injured or killed by Covid are several levels of magnitude higher than my chances of being killed by some stranger with a gun. Considering that you think I should be able to do pretty much anything to prevent the latter scenario, why shouldn't the same logic hold for the former one?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  14. #3764
    I have often wondered if stand-your-ground laws would make it legal for me to shoot someone who approached me without a mask.

  15. #3765
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Serious question: my chances of being seriously injured or killed by Covid are several levels of magnitude higher than my chances of being killed by some stranger with a gun. Considering that you think I should be able to do pretty much anything to prevent the latter scenario, why shouldn't the same logic hold for the former one?
    It isn't though unless you have some sort of immune deficiency disorder or something. You aren't old. You are vaccinated. Quit your hysterics.

  16. #3766
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    It isn't though unless you have some sort of immune deficiency disorder or something. You aren't old. You are vaccinated. Quit your hysterics.
    The number of people killed by strangers in a given year, especially if we exclude gang on gang violence, is in the very low thousands. Meanwhile, about 6% of Covid deaths had no comorbidities, which works out to 5k per year. Of course that's a dumb measure because a huge portion of Americans do have them and can't just stop having them. Unlike me having the ability to avoid drug dens and other places where I'm likely to get shot. The number of people killed by strangers inside their own homes is in the dozens, for example.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  17. #3767
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The number of people killed by strangers in a given year, especially if we exclude gang on gang violence, is in the very low thousands. Meanwhile, about 6% of Covid deaths had no comorbidities, which works out to 5k per year. Of course that's a dumb measure because a huge portion of Americans do have them and can't just stop having them. Unlike me having the ability to avoid drug dens and other places where I'm likely to get shot. The number of people killed by strangers inside their own homes is in the dozens, for example.
    And that's just deaths—ie. excluding non-fatal health impact equivalent to severe injury.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  18. #3768
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The number of people killed by strangers in a given year, especially if we exclude gang on gang violence, is in the very low thousands. Meanwhile, about 6% of Covid deaths had no comorbidities, which works out to 5k per year. Of course that's a dumb measure because a huge portion of Americans do have them and can't just stop having them. Unlike me having the ability to avoid drug dens and other places where I'm likely to get shot. The number of people killed by strangers inside their own homes is in the dozens, for example.
    And yet you and your political side bemoan the lack of gun laws every chance you get...

  19. #3769
    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Health Director
    I am sorry, but at this point in the absence of reasonable and real reasons, it is irresponsible no[t] to be vaccinated,
    Naturally, the Florida Health Director was placed on administrative leave for saying something so outrageous in an e-mail.

  20. #3770
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    And yet you and your political side bemoan the lack of gun laws every chance you get...
    Your side allows unstable 18-year-olds to bring guns to my office with me having no power to stop them.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  21. #3771
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    And yet you and your political side bemoan the lack of gun laws every chance you get...
    Oddly enough, we want to preserve life.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  22. #3772
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Your side allows unstable 18-year-olds to bring guns to my office with me having no power to stop them.
    I don't even know what this is in reference to

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  24. #3774
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  25. #3775
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I don't even know what this is in reference to
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/colle...ulty/37433781/
    Hope is the denial of reality

  26. #3776
    Huh, I always thought you were in the North East part of the country

  27. #3777
    Haven't lived in the northeast since Bush was president.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  28. #3778
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    It isn't though unless you have some sort of immune deficiency disorder or something. You aren't old. You are vaccinated. Quit your hysterics.
    Perhaps your attitude explains the political divisions about vaccines, even among the vaccinated, and Public Health in general?

    It's not "hysterics" to care about the vulnerable people who will still get severely ill and need hospitalization...or the medical professionals staffing those hospitals and providing that care...in an effort to save lives. It's not rational, reasonable, or prudent to ignore the destructive powers of a virus, or let its mutations run wild. It's particularly stupid when our healthcare industry is based on private insurance and profits for shareholders.


    On that note -- the box of N95 masks I ordered almost 2 weeks ago just arrived. It's a much better mask than the KN95 I'd been wearing. Even tho I'm fully vaccinated (with booster), and live in a "red" part of PA where almost no one wears masks, and I get plenty of dirty looks and comments about being a lib'rul democrat I will still wear a mask in large group settings to reduce my risks of getting infected, or let the virus mutate.

    I wish this hadn't become so politicized, or turned into arguments about Individual Freeeedom vs Government interference, but then again it's high time we evaluated what it means to be part of a community, state, or nation in a globally connected world.

  29. #3779
    PS the next global pandemic from a novel infectious/contagious virus *will* arrive, and it could be much worse than SARS-CoV-2. This was an opportunity to plan for that eventuality, but we don't seem able to plan for potential risks very well. Instead, we have folks calling that "hysterics".

  30. #3780
    In other news, even my county has been hit hard by omicron. Half the clinic is home sick or caring for their kids, with daycare all over town operating at half capacity. Vaccinated people aren't ending up in the ICU in the same way, but people who haven't yet gotten their booster are still getting very ill, and the ER constantly has a few unvaccinated young kids with covid, throughout the day. Our authorities are obstructing vaccination in children 5-11, testing basically isn't working (guessing most people with covid aren't bothering to test), and we're back to seeing doctors and nurses in other parts of Sweden saying just the dumbest things about covid policy on social media, continuing to undermine public health measures intended to rein in transmission. At least we now have to get tested before signing on—it only took two years
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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