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  1. #181
    When I was thinking of the possible pros or cons of Brexit I never had "end up with a totally deranged, insane US President setting fire to the entire global economic order, however at least the UK will face half of the tariff the madman puts on the EU" as a Brexit "benefit".
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    When I was thinking of the possible pros or cons of Brexit I never had "end up with a totally deranged, insane US President setting fire to the entire global economic order, however at least the UK will face half of the tariff the madman puts on the EU" as a Brexit "benefit".
    And we didn't stop to think why Landrover paused exports to the USA TO EVALUATE WHAT A 25% TARIFF WOULD MEAN FOR THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
    Congratulations America

  3. #183
    Indeed, a 25% car import tariff regardless of country of origin is utterly absurd.

    Then to combine that with a 20% tariff on all EU products regardless of what they are (even stuff the US has no intention of making itself) and a 10% tariff on all UK products regardless of what they are . . . even more batshit crazy.

    Trump was a loon first time around, he's even worse now.
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    If he actually wanted to make people make deals and bring down barriers with his hardnosed approach he'd have started with one or two of the more "offensive" countries like Vietnam (not China), gone all-in and when he got some results moved on and targeted another couple, making it clear that he intended to continue until all these "unfair" tariffs were gone. Way easier for the US economy and stock market to swallow and work with and other countries would have worked to reduce their risk which would provide what he claims he wanted one way or another anyway. Instead we have this. Because he either is a lunatic, or he's working to some personal agenda which has no business being considered in the Oval Office.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  5. #185
    And now he's blinked and the 20% for the EU etc has gone and its 10% for all, except China, Canada and Mexico.

    Piss up and brewery come to mind. He's not a President, he's just a monkey flinging poo at the wall and seeing what sticks.

    No way to run a country. God knows how anyone can think about investing at the minute when there is no stable economic environment whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    And now he's blinked and the 20% for the EU etc has gone and its 10% for all, except China, Canada and Mexico.

    Piss up and brewery come to mind. He's not a President, he's just a monkey flinging poo at the wall and seeing what sticks.

    No way to run a country. God knows how anyone can think about investing at the minute when there is no stable economic environment whatsoever.
    But he's spot on in handing out an insane amount of US tax payer money to Israel, like all the other US presidents before him, and funding an unnecessary genocide. Right, old chap?
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BluntHorse View Post
    But he's spot on in handing out an insane amount of US tax payer money to Israel, like all the other US presidents before him, and funding an unnecessary genocide. Right, old chap?
    Do you ever think about anything else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    If he actually wanted to make people make deals and bring down barriers with his hardnosed approach he'd have started with one or two of the more "offensive" countries like Vietnam (not China), gone all-in and when he got some results moved on and targeted another couple, making it clear that he intended to continue until all these "unfair" tariffs were gone. Way easier for the US economy and stock market to swallow and work with and other countries would have worked to reduce their risk which would provide what he claims he wanted one way or another anyway. Instead we have this. Because he either is a lunatic, or he's working to some personal agenda which has no business being considered in the Oval Office.
    I think it's the result of a man believing in in his own greatness. The craziness lies mostly in his conviction that he can solve the harmful imbalances and grievances all at once and all at the same time. Given the damage he's done so far I no longer see a way back to the old situation. I can't predict how big the lasting damage of this for America and the world will be. I can tell you that the next time am American tells me about checks and balances, I will laugh in his face.
    Congratulations America

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Do you ever think about anything else?
    I'm sure they do, but they're here to pick fights and they're not getting the ones they want so. . .
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Do you ever think about anything else?
    Of course I do. EyeKhan, I see you are sick of hearing about it. Imagine how the people who are living through it - now starving as you read this, with likely many family members murdered - are feeling. Do they have the option to think about anything else? This isn?t some natural disaster. It is man made. It?s my duty as someone privileged to raise my voice for them and expose the sick freaks who enable and support their suffering.

    When I was a kid in high school and found out about WW2 atrocities at the death camps, and was asked, what would you have done if you were there? I said obviously I would be horrified and do what I could against it. So did everyone else in my class.

    Now as an adult I am watching a live streamed genocide by both the victims and the perpetrators. Children pulverized.

    Where is ?never again? ? Or was that just for Jews?
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BluntHorse View Post
    Of course I do. EyeKhan, I see you are sick of hearing about it. Imagine how the people who are living through it - now starving as you read this, with likely many family members murdered - are feeling. Do they have the option to think about anything else? This isn?t some natural disaster. It is man made. It?s my duty as someone privileged to raise my voice for them and expose the sick freaks who enable and support their suffering.

    When I was a kid in high school and found out about WW2 atrocities at the death camps, and was asked, what would you have done if you were there? I said obviously I would be horrified and do what I could against it. So did everyone else in my class.

    Now as an adult I am watching a live streamed genocide by both the victims and the perpetrators. Children pulverized.

    Where is ?never again? ? Or was that just for Jews?
    You wanna hear a little bit of truth? The problem is you. The more you try convince us about your cause du jour the less we care. It's people like you who destroy every semblance of interest in what happens in Gaza. You and that other twat in Sweden clearly don't understand when you should shut it up and stop using words to offend until they don't mean anything coming out of your mouth.
    Congratulations America

  12. #192
    I was saying back in December, don't know if I posted in on here, that I gave it six months before he called out the military to violently suppress protests and demonstrations, and that within two years either the American people with quietly tolerate the dissolution of their democracy or there would be a violent revolt put down or an ongoing civil war. So far, we're on track.

    This regime will have two goals now that they've got a military leadership at least partly on-board with their line. First, now that they've provoked/created incidents to call out troops on, they're going to keep pressing to try and create instances where those troops don't fully fulfill their orders, either legal or illegal. They need this pretext to create a formal role for currently private independent forces for what will eventually become security battalions, politically reliable forces they can call for the dirtier work and to serve as a shield against any restive elements in the military with ideas of a counter-coup. Probably they will turn to some kind of deputatization of "loyal" militia elements. The pardoned Jan 6ers provide a base which can help them identify and recruit those people and groups which will be personally loyal to the regime, not the country or Constitution.

    The second goal will be to "blood" the military. The broader military can never be wholly politically reliable, it's too large and must necessarily draw from too broad a base in the country as a whole, it will have divided loyalties. So this regime needs to generate ways to make sure the public is afraid of it and distrusts it, to keep it isolated from public support so it can't develop as an independent "pole" of power which can potentially resist the regime. Governance in any authoritarian (or fascist) society still fundamentally rests on the consent of the governed. Consent can be coerced, but people still need to go along with that status quo for any governnance system to function. Authoritarian regimes need to keep groups divided to maintain their security, isolation encourages just going along.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  13. #193
    I hope you have a pleasant relocation to Portugal or Ireland or wherever, should the need arise
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  14. #194
    It seems someone didn't appreciate those tariffs, or whatever the other thing was (Greenland or something) and suddenly the thing that was literally already known for several years is a major story.
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  15. #195
    Because all the propaganda networks were playing up that dumb conspiracy for years now. Hard to pivot this quickly.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It seems someone didn't appreciate those tariffs, or whatever the other thing was (Greenland or something) and suddenly the thing that was literally already known for several years is a major story.
    Tbf the WSJ's two big scoops appear to be new news. Fascinating to see the NYT etc. trying to help Trump out even on this issue.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Because all the propaganda networks were playing up that dumb conspiracy for years now. Hard to pivot this quickly.
    For sure, but they could at the very least not talk about it this much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Tbf the WSJ's two big scoops appear to be new news. Fascinating to see the NYT etc. trying to help Trump out even on this issue.
    I think the poem one was new but that's not actually evidence in a legal sense just a bad look, and wasn't the other one just a statement that Trump is 'in the files' (whatever 'the files' are), which we already knew?
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  18. #198
    They don't talk about it. I saw a graphic about Fox the other day. Mentions of Obama: 30. Mentiona of Epstein: 2.

  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    For sure, but they could at the very least not talk about it this much.



    I think the poem one was new but that's not actually evidence in a legal sense just a bad look, and wasn't the other one just a statement that Trump is 'in the files' (whatever 'the files' are), which we already knew?
    I honestly don't know, but it seems to have been new and alarming enough that Bondi found it necessary to inform Trump at a meeting (per WSJ), and dozens - if not hundreds - of FBI agents were instructed to specifically flag any mentions of his name!

    But anyway I mostly agree with you. I know they say everyone has to eat, but political journos make me wonder
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They don't talk about it. I saw a graphic about Fox the other day. Mentions of Obama: 30. Mentiona of Epstein: 2.
    MAGA's a coalition, it's not just Fox News, MTG, Boebert et al are certainly going on about it enough.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  21. #201
    Fox is on nonstop in over a million homes. Most people aren't chronically online, checking MTG's Twitter feed.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Weekend at Donnie's
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