Royal prerogatives generally have a law behind them somewhere - where I don't know and probably depends upon which prerogative you're talking about.
The tradition that the PM actually makes the decisions for the monarch I doubt is written anywhere, but so are traditions in many nations with written constitutions.
Lib-Dems would get destroyed in the south, the LD's biggest English heartland, if they supported Labour.
I wonder if AV will be enough for the LD's.
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Preposterous claim; both PR and FPTP are well within the principle that sovereignty comes from the voter. I also wonder since when the Conservatives developed such huge problems with the role of Parliament in your constitutional arrangement.Originally Posted by RandBlade
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It's not just the LDs that matter don't forget, positioning yourselves as reasonable to the public before any potential future (very) early election also matters.
Labour won't vote for PR. Clegg can't nor portray the Tories as being unreasonable over electoral reform if all he gets is AV from Labour if he's now publicly got AV (with a referendum) from the Tories. The Tories have publicly made a concession.
There's 4 options now for Clegg:
1: Deal with the Conservatives, with AV
2: Deal with Labour, with AV
3: Deal with Labour, with PR
4: ????
If Clegg goes for 2 then the Tory's will be able to portray the Lib-Dems as having gone for the losers of the election.
If Clegg goes for Labour with PR, then fails to get it, government fails and we have a new election under FPTP I'd expect the (still in opposition) Conservatives to win by a landslide.
Had Cameron not offered AV then Clegg could go with Labour with AV and portray the Conservatives of being stubborn and refusing to budge at all.
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Having a referendum to change constitutional arrangements has been an accepted principle for a while Hazir.
If I were Clegg I would only enter in a formal deal with a party that gives a solid deal on PR. If such a deal can't be reached I'd withdraw from all negotiations. This would most likely result in a Conservative minority government, but without the advantage for Cameron that he's the only one who can call an election.
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You should start a movement.
"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.
Why is the BBC so obsessed with who the candidates are in a leadership election that won't happen for months?
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I think it would be rather redundant; the US has a written Constitution and hasn't had a monarch for over 200 years.
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Rumours: Labour to offer bill on AV and referendum on PR.
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The probably assume that it's indicative of who will be the PM?
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Breaking News: William Hague offers to mow Nick Cleggs lawn for a month.
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They've decided to throw everything and the kitchen sink at the Liberal Democrats?
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What do you make when you assume, Hazir?
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If Clegg believes Labour MPs will vote for a referendum on PR after getting their ideal of AV then he's a fool. Labour can't guarantee PR, they don't have the numbers.
That's just a silly wordplay for people without analytical capabilities.
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Teehee.
Didn't anyone tell you that silly wordplay is OK, as long as it involves the ass?
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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Go play with your own fanny.
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But, but, but... it just feels so much better to have someone else (or, better yet, *two* someone else-es) play with it.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Is this Brit Fanny or American Fanny here?
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John Reid, speaking on behalf of himself and David Blunkett, has spoken out against a Lib-Lab pact.
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Why choose?
I've had good experiences with both.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
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I ask merely for clarification in these times of uncertainty.
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2027The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg tweets: Senior Labour figure tells me the party's position of trying to hang on in power with Lib Dem support is not sustainable. Read Laura Kuenssberg's tweets
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I guess the conservative choice would be british then.
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John Reid has gone very negative on his party's proposals
I think the notion of changing the voting system without a referendum is going to look very odd and could really stick in the jaw. If they'd offered a referendum with the FPTP status quo, AV and PR all as options then that'd be more legitimate.
Now, let me get this straight; in a political system where the referendum actually is besides the norm a party should feel bound by the suggestion of the opposing party for one?
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it's all to play for at the last hurdle round the bend horse racing2037David Cameron has phoned Nick Clegg in the past 25 minutes to set out the Tories' final offer of a referendum on AV, the BBC learns. It's understood there is no deadline to the offer. Lib Dem MPs will meet at 2200 BST for more discussions.
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The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
By the way, I don't really think 'the voter' is all that convinced that Conservative is the only way. If that were the case then 'the voter' could have not delivered a hung parliament, but 'the voter' did. And that must mean 'the voter' doesn't really know either, which means he's not necessarily going to be very angry if two parties representing 52% of the vote decide to give it a go.
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A referendum is the norm for constitutional changes for a while.
It was in Labour's own manifesto to have a referendum on AV if they won! If they instil it without a referendum it'll be a breach of their own manifesto!
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