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    Default Warning for British forumers - joking online may cost you cost you 1000 pounds...

    And come with a criminal record.

    Quote Originally Posted by A country without a sense of humor
    Twitter bomb joker found guilty

    Uh-oh

    By John Leyden

    Posted in Policing, 10th May 2010 14:46 GMT


    Updated A man who jokingly threatened to blow Doncaster airport "sky high" back in January has been found guilty of sending a threatening message.

    Paul Chambers, 26, posted the misconceived microblogging update on 6 January, after bad weather forced the Yorkshire airport to shut up shop a week before he was due to fly to Ireland. The message (below) was spotted by managers at Doncaster's Robin Hood Airport, who complained to the police.

    Crap! Robin Hood Airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!

    Off-duty manager Shaun Duffield who stumbled across the offending Tweet days after it was made told a court on Monday that the message was not taken as a credible threat and had no operational effect on the airport. Even so the prosecution continued.

    Chambers, of the Balby area of Doncaster, who lost his job as a finance supervisor as a result of the prosecution, initially pleaded guilty to offences against the Communications Act in February before changing his plea to "not guilty" in March.

    However, at a trial at Doncaster Magistrates' Court on Monday he was found guilty of sending a threatening message despite testifying that it never occurred to him that anyone would take the "innocuous hyperbole" in his message as serious. Chambers was ordered to pay a £385 fine and £600 costs by district judge Jonathan Bennett, The Telegraph reports (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...p-airport.html).

    An update (http://twitter.com/pauljchambers/status/13728552859) on Chambers' @pauljchambers Twitter account blames prosecutors for bringing the case. "I'd like to thank the CPS for their level-best efforts in fucking up the life of an ordinary citizen. I love Britain."

    Chambers went on to suggest he was considering an appeal. ®
    Sigh.

    Am I at risk of prosecution if I say judge Jonathan Bennett should be blown sky high over this?
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    EDITED THREAD TITLE

    £1000 resulted in a 404 error as the £ symbol was an illegal character presumably in the thread title.

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    Twitter and texting sucks.

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    Agreed that this is wrong. Humour and sarcasm should not be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    EDITED THREAD TITLE

    £1000 resulted in a 404 error as the £ symbol was an illegal character presumably in the thread title.

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    Thank you for that - I was about to bitch at Wraith for getting a 404 error after submitting a new thread. Now I know why.

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Twitter and texting sucks.
    Sure, but a $2000 fine and a criminal record is perhaps a bit extreme as a punishment for suckly behavior.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Thank you for that - I was about to bitch at Wraith for getting a 404 error after submitting a new thread. Now I know why.
    You can bitch at Wraithy, anyway. It's important to keep his kind in their place, after all.

    I like texting, but I don't see the point in twitter at all.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    At first I thought the 404 was a joke you had made and was wondering how you'd done it

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Twitter and texting sucks.

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    Why texting? It's my primary source of non-personal communication

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    Why in the hell would they pursue what everyone agrees is a non-credible threat?

    I guess in their minds they want to make it illegal to make even non-credible threats so that people who make real ones can't say they were only joking. Still, freedom of speech fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Still, freedom of speech fail.
    And the Brits can't even get indignant and scream 1st amendment, either.

    Poor sods.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    The CPS will prosecute if they feel there is a chance of conviction.

    This was a fail by the judge and the jury.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    The CPS will prosecute if they feel there is a chance of conviction.
    Undoubtedly... but doesn't that make it a fail by the CPS too, then?

    Not asking the question "should we prosecute," but rather "can we win?" Same kind of bullshit happens in the US on a daily basis, and it's frankly the primary reason that I think the world would be a better place if more prosecutors and cops were left to bleed out in the gutter.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    From what I know of the CPS, 'should' is not in their remit. They are not arbiters of the law - that is for the court.

    The CPS works with probabilities it seems, on whether to bring a trial or not.

    One frequently reads in the papers here that, for example "The CPS felt the chances of conviction were too small to bring the case to trial."

    In this case, it seems they were right; they secured a conviction. Hence - if it's a fail it's a fail by the court.

    ~

    However I'm not that au fait with the technicalities of the Communications Act and how twittering could impinge upon it. It could be the Act itself which is overbearing and neither the CPS nor the judge had much choice in either bringing the case to court nor securing a conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    I thought there were two tests for if the CPS should launch a prosecution:

    1: A good chance of conviction
    2: In the public interest

    This should have failed the "in the public interest" test.

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    If public interest falls within the criteria the CPS use for whether a case should be brought to trial, then yes, the fact that this was clearly a disgruntled passenger venting his spleen on twitter, and not a terrorist bizarrely advertising his terrrrrristickle intentions to all and sundry should have been taken into account, agreed.

    Waste of the court's time. Not to mention the poor fella who has now lost his job over this, and everything else that comes with a conviction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Twitter and texting sucks.

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    Not on twitter, but I like texting.

    Quote Originally Posted by littlelolligagged View Post
    I like texting, but I don't see the point in twitter at all.
    I think I see the point of twitter. It fits into a behavioral nitch quite nicely.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    So....

    How is Britain going to be ranked in the next Freedom Ranking?

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    Rules. Brits love rules. Brits have Rules for everything.

    And Health & Safety. Lots of Health & Safety. Brits love molly-coddling Health & Safety. Brits have Health & Safety for everything.

    Lots of Rules and Health & Safety.

    Lots of Rules about Health & Safety.

    And CCTV. Lots of CCTV. Brits love CCTV. Brits have CCTV everywhere.

    So that Brits can watch other Brits in case those Brits break Rules or Health & Safety or Rules about Health & Safety.

    And Databases. Lots of Databases. Brits love Databases. Brits keep databases on everything.

    So that Brits can keep data on who was seen on CCTV breaking Rules or Health & Safety or Rules about Health & Safety.

    ~

    So ... Britain rates below China and Iran and around equal with Burma on the Freedumb Ranking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Seriously?
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    Oh I'm deadly serious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Oh I'm deadly serious.
    ok
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    2+ years and counting, but common sense finally found its way into court.

    The man who was found guilty of sending a menacing message on the internet site Twitter after he joked about blowing an airport 'sky high' has had his conviction quashed in a case which will have implications for the way online communication is dealt with by the courts.

    Comedians and television presenters flocked to support Paul Chambers, 28, after he was charged in relation to the tweet, which he sent to his 600 followers in January 2010. He said he was frustrated that Nottingham Airport was closed due to bad weather because he wanted to get to see his now fiancée.

    Broadcaster Stephen Fry welcomed the 'complete vindication and victory' for Mr Chambers following today's ruling. Al Murray, who also supported Mr Chambers, wrote on Twitter: “He's won', before adding: ”Colossal relief here in court. Short and sweet.“

    Mr Chambers and his supporters argued that messages sent in jest, regardless of the subjective view of the appropriateness or quality of their humour, should be taken as such and that to regard any joke about subjects such as bombings would not be a correct interpretation of the Malicious Communications Act 2003, under the provisions of which Mr Chambers was originally convicted in 2010.

    They said that to interpret jokes about such subjects as serious, threatening messages would be a dangerous precedent to set. Today, Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge, sitting with Mr Justice Owen and Mr Justice Griffith Williams in the High Court, said: ”We have concluded that, on an objective assessment, the decision of the Crown Court that this 'tweet' constituted or included a message of a menacing character was not open to it.

    “On this basis, the appeal against conviction must be allowed.”

    The message Mr Chambers sent read: “Crap! Robin Hood Airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together, otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!! He said he never thought anyone would take his 'silly joke' seriously.

    Speaking after the ruling, he said: ”I am relieved, vindicated - it is ridiculous it ever got this far. I want to thank everyone who has helped, including everyone on Twitter.“

    His counsel, John Cooper QC, had told the judges it was obvious the tweet, which was sent by someone who did not hide his identity, was a joke.

    It was certainly not sent in the context of terrorism and it was wrong for the Crown Court to make such an association.

    He said: ”If that be the case, and I don't mean to be flippant, John Betjeman would be concerned when he said 'Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough', or Shakespeare when he said 'Let's kill all the lawyers'.“

    The judges noted there was no evidence before the Crown Court to suggest any of the followers of the ”tweet“, or anyone else who may have seen it posted on Mr Chambers' timeline, found it to be of a menacing character or, at a time when the threat of terrorism was real, even minimally alarming.

    In fact, nothing was done about it by anyone until five days later when the duty manager responsible for security at the airport, while off duty at home, found it.

    Robert Smith QC, for the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), had said that, on any view, Mr Chambers, of Corby, Northamptonshire, a man of previous good character who worked as an administration and finance supervisor, was ”very foolish“ to do what he did.

    He said the question was, by whose standards and by what members of society would such a message be viewed as a joke, given that those who had access to it would probably not have any knowledge of the circumstances which led to it being sent?

    Vanessa Barnett, partner at Charles Russell LLP, commented: ”Paul's successful challenge of his conviction is good news indeed for all users of Twitter. The courts had gone overboard in terms of their treatment of him. But we should not see this as an invitation to say anything we like on Twitter - things that are crimes will still be crimes and many things in poor taste are still, rightly, illegal. It's Twitter, remember, not the pub.“
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I thought there were two tests for if the CPS should launch a prosecution:

    1: A good chance of conviction
    2: In the public interest

    This should have failed the "in the public interest" test.
    The CPS have decided not to appeal this decision. Good, who has any of this insanity helped?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Yeh read about this earlier today.

    ”I am relieved, vindicated - it is ridiculous it ever got this far ..."

    Sums it up for me.

    ~

    Now I wonder what peoples thoughts here are on prosecution wrt those who make racist tweets ?

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    Depends upon what's said/context etc - which is what should have been taken into account here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Now I wonder what peoples thoughts here are on prosecution wrt those who make racist tweets ?
    Just racism? Report them to Twitter and get them banned, but it shouldn't be legally prosecutable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Depends upon what's said/context etc - which is what should have been taken into account here.
    Unless the person is directly calling for people to be hurt, I fail to see why context matters. Racism should not be illegal, and British is all the closer to being a police state for thinking otherwise.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    If it is inciting violence then that context matters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If it is inciting violence then that context matters.
    Inciting violence is a crime whether racism is involved or not.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Tom-Daley.html

    Seriously Britain? A bit of trash talk is illegal now?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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