Gary Mckinnon's Extradition to the US on Hacking Charges

[EyeKhan]

So? If under the same circumstances the US would not extradite their citizens, which they apparently don't, then the UK shouldn't either.

So what you do is determined by what we do? Is that why you guys helped us invade Iraq???

[Flixy]

So what you do is determined by what we do? Is that why you guys helped us invade Iraq???

You expect people to give you whatever you want if you refuse to give anything in return? What on earth does that have to do with Iraq?

The UK doesn't have to extradite its citizens to another country (in fact, plenty of countries refuse to do so in general), they have sovereignty over the people within their borders. If they do, it is a favour to your government, and it's usually based on reciprocal treaties. So you really think it's weird that countries expect the same treatment you expect from them? That's rather arrogant. And I can see why the British are not supportive for the use of a treaty (signed after the crime), which is not ratified by your country, is unbalanced and favours the USA, and which was intended for terrorists, not hacking, and could face a far higher maximum penalty there. Especially since the UK can probably claim jurisdiction and try him themselves.

[Loki]

You expect people to give you whatever you want if you refuse to give anything in return? What on earth does that have to do with Iraq?

The UK doesn't have to extradite its citizens to another country (in fact, plenty of countries refuse to do so in general), they have sovereignty over the people within their borders. If they do, it is a favour to your government, and it's usually based on reciprocal treaties. So you really think it's weird that countries expect the same treatment you expect from them? That's rather arrogant. And I can see why the British are not supportive for the use of a treaty (signed after the crime), which is not ratified by your country, is unbalanced and favours the USA, and which was intended for terrorists, not hacking, and could face a far higher maximum penalty there. Especially since the UK can probably claim jurisdiction and try him themselves.

And yet it doesn't...

[EyeKhan]

You expect people to give you whatever you want if you refuse to give anything in return? What on earth does that have to do with Iraq?

The UK doesn't have to extradite its citizens to another country (in fact, plenty of countries refuse to do so in general), they have sovereignty over the people within their borders. If they do, it is a favour to your government, and it's usually based on reciprocal treaties. So you really think it's weird that countries expect the same treatment you expect from them? That's rather arrogant. And I can see why the British are not supportive for the use of a treaty (signed after the crime), which is not ratified by your country, is unbalanced and favours the USA, and which was intended for terrorists, not hacking, and could face a far higher maximum penalty there. Especially since the UK can probably claim jurisdiction and try him themselves.

Let us try him and you won't have to go to the expense or trouble. I don't see how you lose in the scenario.

[Flixy]

Let us try him and you won't have to go to the expense or trouble. I don't see how you lose in the scenario.

1. I am not a you, I am not from the UK.
2. You (could) lose sovereignty.

[EyeKhan]

1. I am not a you, I am not from the UK.
2. You (could) lose sovereignty.

1a. I didn't mean that to be so specific.
2a. The US's lapdog is worried about that?