Not at the news, only that its finally here. Been waiting all week for those figures. That was the last claim I had of BPs that wasn't officially declared a lie.
Want more shitty news? BP still claims relief wells (required in Canada) should not be required when drilling, because they cost to much money. I'm starting to like Nessus' picture.
They have learned. They're right, they cost too much. Factor in the liklihood of an accident, factor in the liklihood they'll have to pay the true cost of the damage they're doing right now, factor in all the profits they're earning with the vast majority of wells and other activities that go just fine, and they've made the right decision. Because its the Money that counts. Fuck everything else.Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
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Mmmmmmm....mmmmmmm! Money! Can't get enough of that green stuff. Gonna need alot if you want to eat shrimp. Guess I'll be switching to crawdads.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Its the cost of having a capitalist economy. Shrimp's a luxury anyway. Now it's more of a luxury. If you were fortunate enough, or you planned your business well enough, that you're not ruined by this, then your business just got a hell of a lot more valuable, no?Mmmmmmm....mmmmmmm! Money! Can't get enough of that green stuff. Gonna need alot if you want to eat shrimp. Guess I'll be switching to crawdads.
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I was responding to Rand Paul's assertion about this. He's not a guy I agree with on a lot of issues, but his statement about rhetoric resonated.
I had overheard some mention/discussion of this "boot on throat" phrase on CNN at the gym and assumed it was Obama. No one here questioned that it was Obama, in fact they encouraged Obama using that kind of rhetoric. Right until Obama said that it was inappropriate for his Interior Secretary to say that. I was wrong on the source of the quote, but they are wrong on the principles. Not even Obama agrees with them.
But let me be perfectly clear, I don't read/consume "conservative media". I don't own a TV, I don't visit conservative opinion sites. I barely have time to read as much news as I would like. The closest thing I get is maybe the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.
Saying "one of these is not like the others" over and over again doesn't make it right.
When some random administration official says that the government will now assist in the prosecution of illegal music/movie downloaders and keep his "boot to their throats" until the piracy stops, will you complain? Because I will.
If you honestly believe a bunch of stock holders is the same thing vis a vis gubment strong-arming as blacks, fags or Orthodox Christians, you're so marinated in Pubbie Kool-Aid that it's no wonder Rand Paul seems like a stand-up guySaying "one of these is not like the others" over and over again doesn't make it right.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
If you think that a random company is just a "bunch of stockholders", you're marinated in the angsty college student Kool-Aid. I don't think Rand Paul is a stand-up guy, but I think he made a reasonable point on this one issue.
{snickers}
Wow, so the WSJ is now a conservative opinion site?
Hope is the denial of reality
Is ther a single aspect of this spill, and media circus around it, that BP doesn't try to lie about?
BP bused in "hundreds" of temporary workers to clean up local beaches. And as soon as the president was en route back to Washington, the workers were clearing out of Grand Isle too,
Ying and Yang, you missed your side.
I don't really see where it gets more basic than that, but hey whatever. We live in America, in an age that rules corporations to have the same rights as individuals.No one is really surprised when you're this jaded.
Unless I'm mistaken (and that professor wasn't worth shit) we've been living in that age since the beginning of the corporation in the late 1800s. Its not a modern concept.
Exactly. Though corporations and the underlying concepts of them are quite a bit older, with the first modern corporations arising around some of the colonial entities like the East Indies Company, etc.
But back to our society now...because corporations have rights, they also have responsibilities. Which is why you can sue the eyeball fluid out of BP if you want. But it also means the government can't demonize them. They have rights and responsibilities.
That's what it amounts to vis a vis the throat comment. I'm aware that corporations provide a living to a bunch of people etc., but when the entity is held responsible for shit such as this, it's the higher ups are the ones who're actually responsible. Or should be. And while your ad hominem is cute, it doesn't change the fact that blacks, fags etc. are categorically different from corporations, both as collectives and as legal agents. Or at least they are so far, I'm sure in the future, when joy has been replaced with shame etc., people are just born as property of some corporation or other, after which you might have some kind of point, but at that stage it's a bit too late to wrinkle.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
As I said, corporations have rights and responsibilities. And every group has the right to not be a victim of government demagoguery. I'm looking forward to holding BP fully accountable under the law. But at this point even you can see 'twas Obama who finally made my point about appropriate rhetoric.
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Heh, that's actually pretty funny.
Duely noted. Sorry for the micro-troll.But let me be perfectly clear, I don't read/consume "conservative media". I don't own a TV, I don't visit conservative opinion sites. I barely have time to read as much news as I would like. The closest thing I get is maybe the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.
Well, editorial is by definition opinion, and the WSJ is pretty conservative. Certainly it's not like a pundit program, but its conservative opinion.
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Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Are we done with the "rhetoric" tangent yet?
What happens if this thing can't be plugged, and it spews until that bottom kill well can be completed---JULY.
We'll have a summer-worth of angsty posts from you and OG.
Hope is the denial of reality
Angsty, huh.We'll have a summer-worth of angsty posts from you and OG.
If you don't think our nation's gulf marshlands are worth concern, and you call it angst....then I'll say you're in denial of some sort.
You're doing a good job of fixing that problem by posting here. Once you hit 200 posts on this topic, the problem will get resolved.
Hope is the denial of reality
Worst criticism ever.
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Then we can expect to see a cessation of your posts on anything political, since you're not really fixing any problems.
Yeah, sure was
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
If you don't post about the starving children in Africa, you support their starvation. Shame on you. And we can measure just how much you care by the number of relevant posts and level of angst within them.Worst criticism ever.
Hope is the denial of reality
What behaviour are you shaming whom into, here?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Lok, this is a discussion bb. It's function is to let us post ad nauseum about things that interest us. It's senseless to attack someone for posting too much about a topic instead of doing something about it, especially something like this spill which we are all helpless to stop. Your post sounded like a satire of Sean Hannity or something.
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Exactly. Hurricane season is coming, the gulf coast is already vulnerable. Even if the gusher stops now, any oil and Corexit flooding inland has the potential to do a lot of damage--to people and not just wildlife.
Wonder if FEMA officials are considering this now, and planning ahead....
I'm referring more to her suggestion that anyone who isn't being as angsty about the topic here cares less about it.
Everyone here for not caring about the poor kids in Africa of course.
Hope is the denial of reality
Everyone here for not caring about the poor kids in Africa of course.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Wrong. I refuted your notion that talking about the oil gusher, or watching it unfold, is being "angsty". Or that it's silly to discuss it because it's not solving any problems.
Simple solution for you Loki---if you're not interested in it, don't post in the thread telling us we're angsty for posting about it.
Thanks for proving my point.
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