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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I'm curious on how the political landscape will look in 10, maybe 20, years. Younger people are more likely to be more liberal, and thus fall more in line with democrats. Considering the shit economy, how few of them are likely to evolve into a more republican line?
    Is this conservative, glenn beck type of, landscape something we only have to wait out? You know they see it, its why Texas went full retard with their textbook direction; they are losing recruits at a pace like never before.
    Actually, I suspect more will become conservative. The Republican line will change, and many people in their 20s will get less liberal. It's a pendulum; this generation of 20somethings is already getting aware (and sick) or the rampant government spending and intrusion into a variety of activities. That said, the Republican antipathy towards things like gay rights and immigration will have to evaporate to get the next generation of voters.

    Glenn Beck is a spark for some people, but the fire goes in different directions. He's just the blowhard who stirs things up in the debate.

    PS- Slow mo nation failure:

    JUNE 5, 2010, 5:00 AM ET

    Number of the Week: U.S. Debt Nears Key Threshold

    88%: Gross U.S. public debt as a share of annual economic output.

    There’s little doubt that the U.S. needs to get its mounting debts under control. But at what point do they become a clear and present danger?

    By some measures, we’re reaching that point about now. As of Friday, our total national debt – the sum of all outstanding IOUs issued by the U.S. Treasury – stood at a bit more than $13 trillion, or almost 90% of our projected gross domestic product for 2010.

    The 90% level is significant, because recent research by economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff suggests that once a developed nation’s debt crosses it, its annual economic growth tends to be about one percentage point lower. At a time when economists are saying it could take years for the U.S. to bring unemployment back down to pre-recession levels, that percentage point could make a big difference.

    To be sure, the concept of the 90% threshold isn’t without its critics. Princeton University economist Paul Krugman, for example, notes the U.S. last crossed the threshold after World War II and did experience slow growth, but the problem wasn’t so much the debt burden as millions of women leaving the paid workforce. And in many cases, such as Japan, slow growth could be the cause of the debt burdens, not the other way around.

    Thresholds aside, there’s no reason to be sanguine. Back in the 1950s, we had a good excuse to be indebted: We’d just fought to save the world from fascism. And a large chunk of our debt was held by our own citizens, much like Japan now — one reason economists think that country has managed to survive with a gross-debt-to-GDP ratio of more than 200%.

    This time around, the roots of our indebtedness are very different. We’re borrowing to bail out consumers who took on too much credit and couldn’t pay, and to support social-security and Medicare systems we can’t really afford. We’re able to do this because financial markets have maintained a surprising faith that we will eventually get our spending under control, and because the dollar’s role as a global reserve currency has kept our borrowing rates unusually low.

    The travails of Greece demonstrate the hazard such easy borrowing terms can create. After Greece adopted the euro, markets began to treat it more like any other European economy, allowing it to borrow at interest rates nearly the same as Germany or France. That, in turn, helped Greece get into much deeper debt trouble than it would have otherwise. As a result, it now has to implement austerity measures that will likely yield much deeper economic pain.

    So far, markets have given the U.S. a longer leash. The danger is that we’ll hang ourselves on it.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...key-threshold/
    Last edited by Dreadnaught; 06-05-2010 at 11:24 PM.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Actually, I suspect more will become conservative. The Republican line will change, and many people in their 20s will get less liberal. It's a pendulum; this generation of 20somethings is already getting aware (and sick) or the rampant government spending and intrusion into a variety of activities. That said, the Republican antipathy towards things like gay rights and immigration will have to evaporate to get the next generation of voters.
    The only person I've seen successfully fall into this description is.... you; and I think you understand the forum's collective WTF on this rather recent shift.
    and thanks to the Tea Party I don't see the current angle on gay rights and immigration changing in the Republican party soon enough to save the party in 10 or 20 years.
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 06-06-2010 at 02:46 AM.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    The only person I've seen successfully fall into this description is.... you;
    How many US people do we have in that demographic on the forum right now? Dread, Loki, you, Being, and me are the ones that immediately jump to my mind, among the really frequent posters. Kane would be. Ogre. Knux I think, isn't he still in school? Decoymilk?

    Tear, Chalooobi, GGT, Lolli, Bitter and Wiggin are all definitely 30+. Ziggy, Minx, Rand, Nessus, Lor, Spawnie, Hazir, Khend, Gogo, and Crazy Ivan are all outside the US and also over 30 in a number of cases. I keep getting Termite and Timbuk confused, one or both are over 30 and one is Aussie. Lewk and wife are over 30 I think, but neither thinks in the direction that would support your claim anyway. Veldan Rath is looking into adoption atm so I think he's over 30. Ditto on age for Baltic. I think Unheard of is European.

    So, taking into account the people who are actually being referenced, the people in the first paragraph and possibly the questionable people in the second one like Lewk, you think Dread is the only one go potentially bucking the "liberal youth" trend, particularly if we assume a relaxation in the conservative lines regarding issues like immigration and gay rights?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Lewk and wife are over 30 I think
    Lewk is around 25 I think...
    . . .

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    The only person I've seen successfully fall into this description is.... you; and I think you understand the forum's collective WTF on this rather recent shift.
    and thanks to the Tea Party I don't see the current angle on gay rights and immigration changing in the Republican party soon enough to save the party in 10 or 20 years.
    Actually, you're among those who have gotten more dogmatic with your views over the years. They have only shifted in the direction they already were.

    Among several of the friends I see day to day, I've noticed a very distinct shift in the other direction from which they came. Things are still being reconciled with the hard-left and de-facto-socialist values we were educated with, but it's very noticeable when people grunt about debt, paying for social security that we'll never benefit from, etc.
    Last edited by Dreadnaught; 06-06-2010 at 01:51 PM.

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