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    Default Craigslist and 'Adult Services'

    Craigslist Blocks Access to ‘Adult Services’ Pages
    By CLAIRE CAIN MILLER
    Published: September 4, 2010

    Craigslist, the popular Web site for classified ads, has blocked access to its “adult services” section and replaced the link with a black label showing the word “censored.”

    Law-enforcement officials and groups that oppose human trafficking have been highly critical of Craigslist, saying that the adult ads helped facilitate prostitution and the selling of women against their will.

    Craigslist, which is based in San Francisco, did not respond to requests for comment, and it was unclear whether the block represented a permanent shift in policy or a temporary protest against the outside pressure on the company, which has lasted several years.

    Last month the attorneys general from 17 states sent a letter to Craigslist’s chief executive, Jim Buckmaster, and its founder, Craig Newmark, asking the company to immediately remove the adult services section.

    The controversy is the one of the most prominent in the debate over free speech on the Web, where anyone can easily and anonymously post anything: just how much responsibility does a Web site have for what is posted by its users, or for potential criminal activity that results from the posts?

    The company, while promising to provide more rigorous oversight of the ads, has defended its right to run them and says it is protected under federal law — the Communications Decency Act — a position that judges and legal experts have generally backed.

    “They can absolutely keep it up. The law is pretty crystal clear on this,” said M. Ryan Calo, a senior research fellow at the Stanford Law School’s Center for Internet & Society. “What’s happened here is the states’ attorneys general, having failed to win in court and in litigation, have decided to revisit this in the court of public opinion, and in the court of public opinion, they have been much more successful.”

    Richard Blumenthal, the Connecticut attorney general who helped lead the effort against Craigslist, said by phone on Saturday that “these prostitution ads did not promote a victimless crime. There is human trafficking in children, assaults on women.”

    He said he was pleased that Craigslist appeared to be “doing the right thing voluntarily” but added that his office would continue to monitor the site and was trying to determine if Craigslist was closing the section permanently.

    The ads in the adult section, which cost $10 to post and $5 to repost, are a big revenue source, analysts say. Craigslist is private and does not report financial figures. But adult ads are expected to bring the company $36 million in revenue this year, according to the Advanced Interactive Media Group, an organization that analyzes Craigslist.

    Some Internet law analysts said on Saturday that Craigslist could be sending more than one signal — that it was both capitulating to law enforcement and thumbing its nose at it.

    “There are multiple ways in which to censor speech — one is directly through the courts, and the other is through a form of protest that says, even if you can do this, stop doing it,” said Thomas R. Burke, a lawyer at Davis Wright Tremaine who specializes in Internet law and is not involved with Craigslist. “Maybe their point in saying they were censored is that people need to understand the law better.”

    But Malika Saada Saar, executive director of the Rebecca Project for Human Rights, a nonprofit group that has urged Craigslist to shut the adult services section and screen the entire site for such ads, said the company should be held responsible for what appears on its site. She said Craigslist “has the legal responsibility as well as the moral responsibility” to close the section. Craigslist has taken steps to appease critics before. In May 2009, it removed its “erotic services” category and replaced it with “adult services,” for “postings by legal adult service providers,” and had all adult services ads manually screened by a lawyer before posting.

    But criticism has continued, fueled by prominent cases like that of Philip Markoff, a Boston medical student who was charged with murdering a woman he had met on Craigslist. He pleaded not guilty, and he died in jail last month in an apparent suicide.

    The section in question appears not to have been blocked abroad. In France visitors to the site have access to the Érotique link and can see material intended for adults.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/te...s.html?_r=1&hp

    oops, poll didn't work. Oh well.....

    So what do you think? Reading the comments at the article, opinions range from for stopping underage women from advertising sex (through a pimp, sex trafficking) to for caving to censorship (either forced by legal threats or populist pressure).

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    I like how its labeled "censored" now.

    To quote Conan via twitter "the used futon for sale" ads are about to get a whole lot more interesting.

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    You follow Conan on twitter?

    I don't use Craigslist, but why didn't they screen their member adverts better? If they've had complaints about half naked underage women selling sex, why didn't they either change the TOS or hire 'moderators' to screen the listings?

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    There is a moderation system in place, and to post a listing in the adult section you had to have a credit card and phone number on file. I highly suspect the underage thing was blown way out of proportion by the state AGs hell bent on shutting this thing down for the past several years. "Think of the children" line of thought and all that crap.

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    But police did find underage girls being exploited for sex there, from what I've read....men use their credit card, post the girl's picture, setting up 'dates' in motel rooms.

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    No doubt its happened, but it didn't happen because of craigslist. Just like Disney hotels didn't create or encourage pedophiles and kiddyporn, even if one ended up being center stage for an unsolved case a few years back. Evil people abusing children isn't going to end now that craigslist closed an adult focused section.


    I don't know of an internet based service that hasn't been abused by someone. Doesn't justify using a extreme small batch of bad apples to ruin it for everyone.
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 09-05-2010 at 02:03 AM.

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    Sure, but I thought this had been a complaint for years---that Craigslist wasn't screening the adult services section---let alone responding to reports of obviously underaged girls in the adult section.

    Not that the evil pedo people ruined it for consenting adults, but that Craigslist was choosing to ignore people who broke TOS to sell kiddie sex. No?

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    I had only heard of the kiddie complaints starting a few weeks ago. The main issue was craigslist allowing consenting adults to sell sexual services, which was illegal in the states that were getting butt hurt over it.
    From what I understand the listings by large weren't advertising underaged sex, but the girls in the meetup were in fact under 18. Kinda hard for craigslist to moderate that.

    The adult section was always riddled with "this post has been flagged for removal". But that doesn't stop someone from making a post that violates the TOS and then screaming kiddie-porn before it gets flagged. Its sadly a very common practice.
    I remember Marvel did something similar to City of Heroes when they slapped them with a lawsuit. No matter how fast the moderators were to ban offending players, it didn't stop Marvel from submitting evidence they created to prop up their own case.

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    "The increasingly sharp public criticism of Craigslist's Adult Services section reflects a growing recognition that ads for prostitution -- including ads trafficking children -- are rampant on it," the attorneys general had said in an Aug. 24 letter to Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster and Founder Craig Newmark.

    A Craigslist spokeswoman said at the time that the site agreed with at least some of the letter.

    "We strongly support the attorneys general desire to end trafficking in children and women, through the Internet or by any other means," said Susan MacTavish Best, who handles press inquiries for Craigslist.

    "We hope to work closely with them, as we are with experts at nonprofits and in law enforcement, to prevent misuse of our site in facilitation of trafficking, and to combat such crimes wherever they appear, online or offline."

    In their letter, the attorneys general highlighted an open letter, which appeared as a Washington Post ad, in which two girls said they were sold for sex on Craigslist.

    When the ad came out, Buckmaster wrote a blog post in response that said, "Craigslist is anxious to know that the perpetrators in these girls' cases are behind bars."

    The letter also highlighted a report in May by CNN's Amber Lyon, who posted a fake ad for a girl's services in the adult section. She received 15 calls soliciting sex in three hours.

    Earlier this month, Lyon interviewed a woman named "Jessica" who sells sex on Craigslist. The woman said a Craigslist ad was "the fastest, quickest way you're for sure going to see somebody that day."

    In a later blog post, Buckmaster said Craigslist implemented manual screening of adult services ads in May 2009. "Since that time, before being posted each individual ad is reviewed by an attorney," the post said.

    He said the attorneys are trained to enforce Craigslist's posting guidelines, "which are stricter than those typically used by yellow pages, newspapers, or any other company that we are aware of."
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/04/...ex.html?hpt=T2

    Maybe the attorneys told Buckmaster there was just no way to keep the adult section open? If attorneys are screening the initial ad and picture, and child trafficking is still being alleged, that sounds like a big liability right there.

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    I don't know whats worse, the mashable link, or the totally off topic data entry fake signature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I had only heard of the kiddie complaints starting a few weeks ago. The main issue was craigslist allowing consenting adults to sell sexual services, which was illegal in the states that were getting butt hurt over it.
    From what I understand the listings by large weren't advertising underaged sex, but the girls in the meetup were in fact under 18. Kinda hard for craigslist to moderate that.

    The adult section was always riddled with "this post has been flagged for removal". But that doesn't stop someone from making a post that violates the TOS and then screaming kiddie-porn before it gets flagged. Its sadly a very common practice.
    I remember Marvel did something similar to City of Heroes when they slapped them with a lawsuit. No matter how fast the moderators were to ban offending players, it didn't stop Marvel from submitting evidence they created to prop up their own case.
    Well, now that you have pointed out the nefarious role of Disney in the production of child pornography and child trafficking I hope the authorities take action against the evil kingdom as soon as possible.
    Congratulations America

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