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    Did anyone else see this? Admittedly, there is a very sad event, but in general, this is tragicomic gold. I cant tell what was more bizarre, the names of the kids or the po-faced way the reporter is trying to tell the story or the story itself or what.

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    Why don't black Americans swim?

    By Finlo Rohrer BBC News, Washington

    The drownings shocked the community and sparked a campaign

    A month ago, six African-American teenagers drowned in a single incident in Louisiana, prompting soul-searching about why so many young black Americans can't swim.

    When 15-year-old DeKendrix Warner accidentally stepped into deeper water while wading in the Red River in Shreveport, he panicked.
    JaTavious Warner, 17, Takeitha Warner, 13, JaMarcus Warner, 14, Litrelle Stewart, 18, Latevin Stewart, 15, and LaDarius Stewart, 17, rushed to help him and each other.

    None of them could swim. All six drowned. DeKendrix was rescued by a passer-by.

    Maude Warner, mother of three of the victims, and the other adults present also couldn't swim.
    The US has almost 3,500 accidental drownings every year, almost 10 a day.
    But according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the fatal drowning rate of African-American children aged five-14 is three times that of white children.
    A recent study sponsored by USA Swimming uncovered equally stark statistics.
    Just under 70% of African-American children surveyed said they had no or low ability to swim. Low ability merely meant they were able to splash around in the shallow end. A further 12% said they could swim but had "taught themselves".
    The study found 58% of Hispanic children had no or low swimming ability. For white children, the figure was only 42%.
    "It is an epidemic that is almost going unnoticed," says Sue Anderson, director of programmes and services at USA Swimming.
    The swimming body would like all children to be taught to swim.
    Parents' responsibility
    "We would like it to be like seatbelts and bicycle helmets," says Ms Anderson.
    But the situation in the US can vary hugely even within a single state.

    Unlike the UK, where learning to swim is enshrined in the national curriculum except in Scotland, the ultimate responsibility in the US often lies with parents.
    "I would love to make it a rule like they have in the UK," says Cullen Jones, a gold medallist in the freestyle 100m relay in Beijing, and a spokesman for USA Swimming's Make a Splash campaign.
    "It isn't a requirement, it isn't a priority in the US."
    Jones's mother took him to swimming lessons after he nearly drowned at a theme park aged five. By eight he was swimming competitively.
    The Make a Splash campaign is targeting all non-swimmers and their parents but there is a particular focus on ethnic minority families.
    Fear factor
    Many black parents are not teaching their children to swim.
    Some might assume the fundamental reasons would be lack of money for swimming lessons or living in areas where there were no pools, but the reality is more complex.
    "Fear of drowning or fear of injury was really the major variable," says Prof Carol Irwin, a sociologist from the University of Memphis, who led the study for USA Swimming.


    Typically, those children who could not swim also had parents who could not swim.
    "Parents who don't know how to swim are very likely to pass on not knowing how to swim to their children," says Ms Anderson.
    In focus groups for the study, Prof Irwin said many black parents who could not swim evinced sentiments like: "My children are never going to learn to swim because I'm scared they would drown."
    The parents' very fear of their children drowning was making that fate more likely.
    The major reason behind the problem could lie in the era of segregation says Prof Jeff Wiltse, author of Contested Waters: A Social History of Swimming Pools in America.
    "The history of discrimination… has contributed to the drowning and swimming rates," says Prof Wiltse.
    In his work he identified two periods of a boom in swimming rates in the US - in the 1920s and 1930s when recreational swimming became popular and the 1950s and 1960s when the idea of swimming as a sport really took off.
    There are historical reasons why black children do not learn to swim
    The first boom was marked by the construction of about 2,000 new municipal pools across the nation.
    "Black Americans were largely and systematically denied access to those pools," he notes.
    "Swimming never became a part of African- American recreational culture."
    In the northern US that segregation in pools ended in the 1940s and early 1950s, but many white swimmers responded by abandoning the municipal pools and heading off to private clubs in the suburbs where segregation continued to be enforced.
    "Municipal pools became a low public priority," he notes.
    After the race riots of the 1960s, many cities did start building pools in predominantly black areas, says Prof Wiltse, but there was still a problem. Many of the new pools were small - often only 20 by 40ft (six by 12m) and 3.5ft (1m) deep.
    "They didn't really accommodate swimming. They attracted young kids who would stand in them and splash about. There really wasn't an effort to teach African-American children to swim in these pools."
    Although there are many poor or working class white children who cannot swim for similar reasons, swimming has gained an image as a "white sport".
    "It is [seen as] a country club sport that only very rich kids get to participate in. The swimming pool is [seen as] a very elitist thing to have in your backyard," says Prof Irwin.
    Bishop Larry Brandon, of the Praise Temple Full Gospel Baptist Cathedral, knew the Warner family, and is now persuading other pastors and ministers to use their pulpits to promote swimming.
    Shreveport has quickly established a new swimming programme in the victims names and there is a drive to challenge misconceptions about swimming.
    As well as the fear factor, Prof Irwin's study found that appearance was also a reason for African-Americans avoiding swimming.
    Jones believes progress is being made
    Black respondents, far more than white or Hispanic respondents, were sometimes concerned about the effect chlorinated water would have on their hair.
    "African-American women, many of them if they go the beauty shop and get their hair fixed they are not going to swim," says Bishop Brandon.
    Perhaps the most alarming thing is that the studies suggest that those who cannot swim - like the Warners and Stewarts - often spend time in pools and other swimming sites.
    "Kids are going to be by the water, they love being by the water, and that's something that we really need to make a priority," says Jones.
    "Here everybody knows how to drive a car. It should also be a rite of passage to learn how to swim."
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    Very strange event. 6 people who cannot swim follow one another in a lemming-like attempt to save someone who also cannot swim.
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    In focus groups for the study, Prof Irwin said many black parents who could not swim evinced sentiments like: "My children are never going to learn to swim because I'm scared they would drown."
    The logic
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
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    Wow, strange indeed. I think you'd really have to look hard to find anybody who grew up in Holland but doesn't know how to swim.
    Congratulations America

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    To combat this, every public school should have a pool! Problem solved.

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    Swimming is an elistist activity?
    compared to what? drugs and armed robbery?
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    Though, thinking about it, if you have a fear of the water you probably aren't teaching your kids how to swim. And ya, sometimes there are community pools and swim classes, but more often than not it costs a bit of money. I know the YMCA has classes but membership has costs associated with it.

    Living in an area where we are surrounded by rivers, the Chesapeake Bay, and the Atlantic Ocean all less than 30 minutes away, you'd think we would have swim classes offered in public schools. But we don't. I do remember, though, that in Kindergarten the Y did offer a few free basic swim lessons, and we took advantage of that. But that was 1985......

    My Granny has a fear of water and swimming because she nearly drowned as a child. But my Papa was never afraid so he taught my Dad and Aunts how to swim. But she did say she was always super nervous when the kids would go swimming in the lake if my Papa was out to sea, and made them swim close to shore so that she wouldn't have to run in to save them due to her fear.

    Ya we're all white but I can see where a similar reasoning would spiral down generations if both adults are too afraid of the water.

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    JaTavious...
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    I like Litrelle, it sounds like a metric version of a pint or something
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    On an entirely serious note, where do black Americans get their kids names from? The D-Quons and the JaTavious's and whatnot? Is there a pool of traditional ethnic names?

    Hey, who would have thought timmy would have ever come in useful in a discussion?
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    I have no earthly idea. I think over time they just keep adding letters, to sound more unique. Or maybe it's illiteracy that leads to misspelling. I always think French Caribbean gone awry for many names.

    The sad thing is sometimes having such unique names leads to negative stereotypes, and anyone with a bit of racist to them will see a name like that on an application and skip right over them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler View Post
    To combat this, every public school should have a pool! Problem solved.
    In Holland I don't think there is any public or private school with a swimming pool. Still swimming classes are on the curriculum for primary school and pupils usually leave primary school knowing how to swim.
    Congratulations America

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    Obviously the lolbertarians hate the idea of anyone FORCING children to learn to swim...
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    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spawnie View Post
    Obviously the lolbertarians hate the idea of anyone FORCING children learn to swim...
    Yeah, I guess we're not convinced since it's not such a nice thing to have to fish dead children from the canals on a daily basis.
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spawnie View Post
    On an entirely serious note, where do black Americans get their kids names from? The D-Quons and the JaTavious's and whatnot? Is there a pool of traditional ethnic names?
    Like cat said, I think a lot of it is to try to create their own culture and not take the white man's names, as well as illiteracy in some cases (ie Anfernee instead of Anthony), and a desire to return to tribal roots and whatnot for some of em.

    Black people not being able to swim is a big (and rightly so) stereotype in America. Of the 7 black kids in my grade I don't believe any of them can swim, and some are proud of it. IIRC a lot of colleges (at least around where I live) have mandatory swimming tests for freshmen.

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    Swimming lessons are a part of life here, most kids start at a few weeks of age and continue through to high school.
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    How do you start learning how to swim at a few weeks of age? All they can do is eat cry and shit and they're not even good at that.
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    Dunno if it really helps with the adult ability to swim, but you can take very small kiddy-winks to the pool and dive around with them and stuff, they've already spent 9 months in their own kiddy pool
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Yeah, the kids have gone to some swimming courses. They really can't tread water or keep themselves afloat at all, but they can do kicks and they are really comfortable in the water.

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    Swimming courses are mandatory in Switzerland. There has been a discussion because Muslims wanted to have their daughters expelled from the courses (because of the bath suits) but it has been ruled that the school obligatory is more important than religion in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel_Mapper View Post
    How do you start learning how to swim at a few weeks of age? All they can do is eat cry and shit and they're not even good at that.
    The weird thing is, the really small babies can usually "swim" quite well - they usually know to hold their breath from the beginning. It seems that is something we "unlearn" over time if we don't swim at a young age. There is obviously a need for adult involvement (supervision) for any children swimming at any age but the sooner children swim the better they will become at it and the less likely they will get into difficulty and panic.

    Here they run school swimming classes with a nationally recognised system of grading which is applied right through to Life-safer level abilities, during school vacations they run VacSwim programs to help kids achieve a higher level.

    Unfortunately kids do still drown here (we are surrounded by ocean and over 90% of our population lives near the sea) but more often nowadays the children that are drowning are immigrant children who's parents don't allow their children to do swimming lessons (stupidly because they are afraid of drowning).

    The ignorance of some people is astounding.
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    Teaching babies to swim is an important part of growing up in Florida. They need to know how to float, tread water, and find the edge of the pool before they learn to crawl.



    Scarlett is 10 months old, but we're still working with her. She at least is able to take a bath without a support seat.
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    I'm hoping to get baby girl into swim lessons around 6 months; definitely by next spring/summer. Living near a river and the ocean, it's important.

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    It is, very.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    Those classes are fun, too. Mommy and Me at the JCC, water babies. The kids who freaked had moms who didn't like the water or weren't strong swimmers themselves....

    I think the article is right about segregation, and crappy shallow municipal pools at wading height, with fountains and such. They're designed for play and keeping cool, not swimming. All of our high schools have pools, but not sure if they're required to pass swimming tests in PE. It's too bad because we get river and creek drownings all the time, especially around low dams that pull kids into deep water with an undertow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    In Holland I don't think there is any public or private school with a swimming pool. Still swimming classes are on the curriculum for primary school and pupils usually leave primary school knowing how to swim.
    Yeah, we used to have school swimming at the local public pool. Only an outside pool, so in autumn it would be very cold I don't think I know anyone who isn't in a wheelchair who can't swim. Some kids who started later and got their swimming diplomas later would usually be slightly embarrassed about it, since it is so unusual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Yeah, we used to have school swimming at the local public pool. Only an outside pool, so in autumn it would be very cold I don't think I know anyone who isn't in a wheelchair who can't swim. Some kids who started later and got their swimming diplomas later would usually be slightly embarrassed about it, since it is so unusual.
    Obviously the Amsterdam City Council considers it so important that adults can enlist in a 4 month course to learn swimming for €25,--. I presume that course must have immigrants as its target group.
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    I still think that in Amsterdam the largest demographic to fall in the canals are drunk students, not immigrants

    (I did fall in a Utrecht canal once the water is really gross.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    I still think that in Amsterdam the largest demographic to fall in the canals are drunk students, not immigrants

    (I did fall in a Utrecht canal once the water is really gross.)
    Hehe, but at least most students can swim, if they remember how to. Come to think of it, I think that the biggest group to end up in the water must be drunk British tourists. It's fun to live in a city where you've got a canal almost every 50 meters. I've heard we've got more bridges than Venice too.

    edit : seems like we've got 3 times more bridges; 1300 vs 409.
    Congratulations America

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    I had The Kid in one of those "Mommy* and Me" swim classes at about 2 years old. By 5, I didn't even have to get in the water with him. Now he can swim like a fish!

    *I am scared shitless of water and swimming and such! I never learned how to do more than dog-paddle.

    **Oh yeah...I am white, not black or Hispanic! lol
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