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  1. #31
    I don't see how I am at some liability to show that Lewkowski was ever a mild-mannered, up-standing member of the community. He was not. He never has been, insofar, as you point out, I have been able to see. He is a bigot, he is a bully and he is a waste of flesh.

    However, in this particular instance, I would argue motive. He has, as I said, pointed out several times that he acts in an inflammatory fashion, here and elsewhere, because he enjoys the "ruckus" he causes. Certainly he has seen (I doubt you are arguing he is blind or illiterate!) how much protest, anger and inflammation his posting behaviour causes. He keeps on mis-spelling "then" vs. "than", he keeps on abusing the quote function, time and time again. You may argue he is doing it out of stupidity or laziness, rather than outright malice. But either way, he is disruptive, he is a fool and a belligerent ass. That you choose to nit-pick my complaints in this fashion I cannot ascribe proper motive, but it's in your persnickety nature and I suspect you're somewhat under the same folly as the people who suffer Lewkowski year after year, "well that's Lewk and ain't he a darlin'". It's certainly your right, but make no mistake, I will not suffer your fucking disgraceful accusations on my intelligence just because you saw fit to point out that Lewk is and always has been an ass-hole.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  2. #32
    I'll admit to not usually reading his posts (and I don't know why the rest of you do), but I don't think he's really trying to start fights. From what I've seen, the accusation of him being a bully is especially wrong - as far as I can tell it's more that everyone else bullies him for having beliefs so far from the forum norm, and he usually doesn't seem to do anything about it. I'll give you disruptive though. But if you think he's intentionally trolling, please report him when he does it.

    For anyone thinking of doing it, please don't dig back trying to find things you can report; there's a poorly defined statute of limitations here.

    I don't think he's reading this subforum, so I'll try to poke him about the quote button.

  3. #33
    A bully without back-up is still a bully; a lot of Lewkowski's arguments boil down to trying to shame people for the way they think and behave, one is not a proper American (read: a human being) unless one subscribes to the ideals Lewkowski holds near and dear. That he does not get any positive feed-back, or rather the opposite, simply means his bull-shit is recognized for what it is. But so long as we're analyzing his behaviour, it is simply silly to claim he is not abusive because his abuse does not garner popular support.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  4. #34
    Thats the thing though, I don't know him personally or as anything else other than the Lewkowski who posts on this forums, so I can't really tell if what he posts is done to actively rile us up, he actually wants to debate, but win (in his head), or he actually thinks we're dumb or ignorant enough to be fooled by his arguments and rhetoric even after repeatedly showing that we are not. I also don't know whether to chalk up the lack of using the quote feature to laziness, or the above, where it makes it easier for him to "win" arguments, as anyone following is now burdened with figuring out who he quoted, whether the quote was taken out of context, or whether there were other better points Lewk cut out in order to focus on what he quoted.
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  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    A bully without back-up is still a bully; a lot of Lewkowski's arguments boil down to trying to shame people for the way they think and behave, one is not a proper American (read: a human being) unless one subscribes to the ideals Lewkowski holds near and dear. That he does not get any positive feed-back, or rather the opposite, simply means his bull-shit is recognized for what it is. But so long as we're analyzing his behaviour, it is simply silly to claim he is not abusive because his abuse does not garner popular support.
    I understand all that. I don't think we're using the same definition of bullying, though. Under this definition, it seems like a fair number of forumites would fall under it.

    I may not have all the same information you do as a result of not usually reading his posts unless forced to; please use the report button if you think he's doing something wrong.

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    I understand all that. I don't think we're using the same definition of bullying, though. Under this definition, it seems like a fair number of forumites would fall under it.

    I may not have all the same information you do as a result of not usually reading his posts unless forced to; please use the report button if you think he's doing something wrong.
    It's not my intention to run him out of the forums, I just don't comprehend why people have this over-bearing need to perform mental acrobatics in order to excuse extremely poor behaviour. He's not even funny!

    And the rubrik for using shame as an argument is a complex one; arguably asking people to "do the right thing" can be quantified, is the right thing asked for actually a good or a bad? Lewkowski champions, among other things, jail-house rape and shooting people, shooting human beings, in the back of all places, for stealing a telly-vision. And his line of reasoning goes, if someone finds that objectionable, they are not worthy of human rights. No amount of GOP-apologism will convince me that is anything but underhanded, a-moral and objectionable behaviour.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  7. #37
    How is holding extreme beliefs a form of bullying? If anything, several people here constantly gang up against him and bully him.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #38
    He responds to the points he considers relevant
    Its too bad the liberals don't understand this...
    . . .

  9. #39
    Lewk can be accused of a variety of things, but IMO bullying ain't on of them. Really, are any of his "offenses" punishable? Perhaps some mild trolling, though his beliefs are consistent. Perhaps intentional thread derailment is the one I'd complain about: need every discussion of taxation be answered with a digression about "how do you define the middle class?"

    But really, show me what rules he violates, and how egregiously he does so. Specific examples welcome.

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    How is holding extreme beliefs a form of bullying? If anything, several people here constantly gang up against him and bully him.
    If I were of a more humorous bent I'd just paste my earlier exact post right here because I addressed this very question in it. However, suffice it to say that it seems to be the policy to keep crazy people around because their crazy makes for interesting reading, no matter whether their crazy be of the harmless and inane or the malicious and good ole boy type. This wouldn't be such a big deal if it were said out loud, but as you so often do, I see some level of hypocrisy in the level of mental gymnastics being performed to explain how Lewk really doesn't mean it, he wouldn't actually cheer a four-year-old being strangled to death for stealing tooth-paste. And that's the definition of a good troll, he is the subject matter of discourse and he diverts formerly meaningful conversations into discussing the relative merits of strangling four-year-olds.

    Furthermore, it is somewhat disingenuous to say he is being bullied when his posting behaviour is intended to create just precisely the kind of response you classify as ganging up on him; he posts inflammatory, amoral and disgusting things because he enjoys watching lubrls get offended. It is the motivation behind his cut-n-pasting opinion pieces championing strangling four-year-olds, he knows people will respond negatively to them but his reaction to their negativity is pure glee.

    The definition of a troll is posting outlandish, unreasonable or offensive things in order to elicit responses. Lewk has himself admitted that this is the motive behind most of his posts. Year after year we have to arm-wrestle as a community whether or not his behaviour is this or that, despite the fact that he himself has clearly stated his agenda.

    And, as you say, vocal posters gang up on him and the moderates mock him; no one takes anything he says very seriously because he is the man woo-hooing when people are strangled for stealing tooth-paste. Keeping him around is no different from the morbid fascination that seems to be Dread's motive in having Kathasung around; we've had some discussions on the moral merits of poking fun at obviously mentally ill people in that context.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  11. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    I don't see how I am at some liability to show that Lewkowski was ever a mild-mannered, up-standing member of the community. He was not. He never has been, insofar, as you point out, I have been able to see. He is a bigot, he is a bully and he is a waste of flesh.[/qupte]

    However, in this particular instance, I would argue motive. He has, as I said, pointed out several times that he acts in an inflammatory fashion, here and elsewhere, because he enjoys the "ruckus" he causes. Certainly he has seen (I doubt you are arguing he is blind or illiterate!) how much protest, anger and inflammation his posting behaviour causes. He keeps on mis-spelling "then" vs. "than", he keeps on abusing the quote function, time and time again. You may argue he is doing it out of stupidity or laziness, rather than outright malice. But either way, he is disruptive, he is a fool and a belligerent ass.

    Except he's actually one of the most mild-mannered posters on the board. He has to put up with a tremendous amount of abuse from the many posters on here who don't like him, and he does so with equanimity. He almost never lashes out at another poster, and all you people who refuse to use the ignore function for it's intended purpose have given him plenty of cause over the years. You're demonizing him. You think he has political and social opinions of a bigot, so he must be a bully *hell if I can figure out what social and political opinions make up a bully, considering they definitely come in all stripes* But those don't tell you how he actually treats people. You simply can't TELL that, good or bad, from this purely textual, semi-anonymous, online medium. His behavior on here is the outlier who maintains outrageous visual behaviors. Is he being stubborn in not conforming to your social norms? Sure. Is that deliberate? Quite probably. It could even be baiting, yeah, though it seems to me that maintaining such "outrageous" behavior is more accurately a response to the way everyone attacks him rather than the other way around.

    That you choose to nit-pick my complaints in this fashion I cannot ascribe proper motive, but it's in your persnickety nature and I suspect you're somewhat under the same folly as the people who suffer Lewkowski year after year, "well that's Lewk and ain't he a darlin'". It's certainly your right, but make no mistake, I will not suffer your fucking disgraceful accusations on my intelligence just because you saw fit to point out that Lewk is and always has been an ass-hole.
    I'm not nit-picking so much as stating my strong objections. I do have a persnickety nature, but this falls to my strong opinion that you don't try and change people. You live and let live. If something bugs you that much, forums have this very useful feature called "Ignore." If you refuse to make use of perfectly useful tools provided for this exact purpose, well then you can take your sensitivities and shove them where the sun don't shine. As for my "fucking disgraceful accusations", you opened with Are you sleeping with him behind HomeSchooler2398234983er983249342's back? and ended with your mannerisms are foreign and your thoughts opaque to my barbaric, non-God-fearing mind, so you can go fuck yourself sideways you close-minded little shit.
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  12. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You think he has political and social opinions of a bigot ... But those don't tell you how he actually treats people.
    To clarify this a bit, we don't think he's a bigot, we know he is a bigot based on his interactions with us here. That and its getting pretty tiresome that people keep throwing up some magical divide between the internet and the rest of the world away from the keyboard. Last time I checked we are people, the other posters here are people, and his posting here is an action, so yes, his interactions with us do tell us how he actually treats people. His posting suddenly doesn't become a non-action because its done on the internet, and we don't suddenly become non-people because we're interacting over the internet. I also extremely dislike this idea that thoughts and actions are completely divorced from one another. That somehow someone who doesn't think like a bigot nor act like one is equivalent to a person who thinks like the worst bigot imaginable, but doesn't put these thoughts into action, simply because they both don't act like bigots. At best, the person who thinks like a bigot, but doesn't physically act like one, is slightly better than the person who thinks like a bigot and acts like one.
    . . .

  13. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Illusions View Post
    To clarify this a bit, we don't think he's a bigot, we know he is a bigot based on his interactions with us here. That and its getting pretty tiresome that people keep throwing up some magical divide between the internet and the rest of the world away from the keyboard. Last time I checked we are people, the other posters here are people, and his posting here is an action, so yes, his interactions with us do tell us how he actually treats people. His posting suddenly doesn't become a non-action because its done on the internet, and we don't suddenly become non-people because we're interacting over the internet. I also extremely dislike this idea that thoughts and actions are completely divorced from one another. That somehow someone who doesn't think like a bigot nor act like one is equivalent to a person who thinks like the worst bigot imaginable, but doesn't put these thoughts into action, simply because they both don't act like bigots. At best, the person who thinks like a bigot, but doesn't physically act like one, is slightly better than the person who thinks like a bigot and acts like one.
    I didn't realize that having "inappropriate" views is now considered a form of trolling, while apparently insulting said person is perfectly fine. I think some people are so used to only interacting to people who think, look, and talk like them, that they have become completely intolerant to people who are in any way different.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  14. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I didn't realize that having "inappropriate" views is now considered a form of trolling, while apparently insulting said person is perfectly fine. I think some people are so used to only interacting to people who think, look, and talk like them, that they have become completely intolerant to people who are in any way different.
    I don't claim he's trolling, and that wasn't the purpose of that post. My objection was to Fuzzy trying to claim that Lewk isn't a bigot, or at least try to dance around it.
    . . .

  15. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Illusions View Post
    I don't claim he's trolling, and that wasn't the purpose of that post. My objection was to Fuzzy trying to claim that Lewk isn't a bigot, or at least try to dance around it.
    Do tell in what way he is a bigot, unless bigot now means applying the same harsh standard to everyone.
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  16. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Do tell in what way he is a bigot
    Well first off, the most obvious one being...

    L I B E R A L S

    ...
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  17. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Illusions View Post
    Well first off, the most obvious one being...

    L I B E R A L S

    ...
    Wait...so disliking a political ideology now makes one a bigot? Seriously? Read my comment above about needing to be around a wider variety of people.
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  18. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Wait...so disliking a political ideology now makes one a bigot? Seriously? Read my comment above about needing to be around a wider variety of people.
    This was posted just seconds ago...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Liberals are often elitist. They believe in things like banning fast food for kids because they are "better" then the kids parents in choosing how to pick their meals. They believe in government mandating what people can and can not do for their own good. This arrogance that they know better then others is the driving factor when I use the term elitist.
    ...I suggest you brush up on the definition of bigotry if this does not fit it.
    . . .

  19. #49
    No, it does not. Attacking an ideology and followers of an ideology does not make one a bigot. Coincidentally, Nessus has said far worse things about conservatives and religious people before, and yet I don't recall you calling her a bigot for it. I wonder why.
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  20. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No, it does not. Attacking an ideology and followers of an ideology does not make one a bigot.
    Its a fabricated ideology that exists only inside of Lewk's head, into which he categorizes certain people he does not like, who may or may not possess the attributes he ascribes to them. Just look at the definition of the word. This isn't that hard to follow, and really isn't open to debate. He either does, or does not fit the definition.

    Edit - Screw it we'll go down the list:

    1. A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own - Pretty much, they'll get called a liberal or elitist then characterized like the above (or whatever the flavor of the week liberal is)

    2. A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. - I'd like to see you convince Lewk that Liberals aren't what he calls them

    3. Blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others - Again, LIBERALS, or even his religion where he denounces the work of scientists and then categorizes them as Elitists or Liberals. Again, I'd like to see you convince him otherwise.

    4. Being a bigot; biased; strongly prejudiced; forming opinions without just cause - All of the above.


    Coincidentally, Nessus has said far worse things about conservatives and religious people before, and yet I don't recall you calling her a bigot for it. I wonder why.
    Because I haven't read any threads where we had to clarify or discuss whether or not Nessus is a bigot? Which was the type of post I was replying to when I called Lewk a bigot?
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  21. #51
    Can I take it that it's your view that Nessus is a bigot? As are Chaloobi and Tear?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  22. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Illusions View Post
    To clarify this a bit, we don't think he's a bigot, we know he is a bigot based on his interactions with us here. That and its getting pretty tiresome that people keep throwing up some magical divide between the internet and the rest of the world away from the keyboard. Last time I checked we are people, the other posters here are people, and his posting here is an action, so yes, his interactions with us do tell us how he actually treats people. His posting suddenly doesn't become a non-action because its done on the internet, and we don't suddenly become non-people because we're interacting over the internet. I also extremely dislike this idea that thoughts and actions are completely divorced from one another. That somehow someone who doesn't think like a bigot nor act like one is equivalent to a person who thinks like the worst bigot imaginable, but doesn't put these thoughts into action, simply because they both don't act like bigots. At best, the person who thinks like a bigot, but doesn't physically act like one, is slightly better than the person who thinks like a bigot and acts like one.
    Fair enough. Ok, let's go by how he treats people on here. He's opinionated, but he's even-tempered. He takes a lot of flak but doesn't dish any out. As a personal matter he has a religious-based objection to homosexuality but doesn't bring it up unless someone else does, supports same-sex unions, and thinks Don't Ask Don't Tell is moronic. He doesn't think someone smoking dope is an issue that concerns him. He strongly supports self and home-defense, even to the point of lethality, and when broadly castigated for this evinced a strong tendency to demonstrate that belief in increasingly tasteless circumstances. His politics are highly partisan, expressing in abstract an ideology of government minimalism which he did not always follow through on solidly when it came to real politics.

    Where does any of this look like the bullying Nessus has alleged? For that matter, please tell me where in his posting history that he taken any opinions we consider bigoted and spoken of making them policy, of trying to force the rest of society to share his views?

    Do I think Lewk is really happy that someone was strangled over a tube of toothpaste? No, I don't. Nor do I think he was horrified. I doubt many of us were really horrified by that story, whatever intellectual gloss we assumed for our visible reactions. It was presented to us in a relatively neutral account, leached of most emotional content by the textual journalistic medium. Lewk probably did feel good about several accounts of lethal home defense though. He's publicly judged for that, frequently, by people on here, who find his opinions distasteful, but he mostly doesn't take the time to publicly judge others for what he feels to be distasteful.

    So who is being intolerant, really? Who is actually treating people badly, in the only sphere we can see, which you allege tells us how people behave in all spheres of life? By your standard*, Lewk is a saint among monsters. He's a bigot who doesn't actually treat people in accordance with his personal opinions, while most posters on here are bigots who do treat people in accordance with their intolerance.

    *And I'll note that apparently, in strict discordance with the many claims of a morally relativistic world by most of Lewk's attackers, that apparently "bigotry" is binary and all-encompassing, that apparently we do live in a morally objective world and that objective standard is set by intolerance, which we all display.

    Except possibly for Nessus. She might actually maintain a morally relativist albeit dystopian viewpoint. It can be hard to tell, since as far as she's concerned all the relative points are bad ones. The world is constructed tautologically where if her negative view of something is wrong, that only means things are worse than she thought.
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  23. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Can I take it that it's your view that Nessus is a bigot? As are Chaloobi and Tear?
    Overall? Nessus and Chaloobi no. Nessus can have bigoted opinions in regards to religious people or Americans, but will sometimes relent when presented with enough counterpoints, I'm not sure how you're classing Chaloobi as a bigot though. Tear? It'd have to be Neocons. But you have to see that Lewk does this to everyone, if Lewk disagrees with you enough you'll end up being classed as a Liberal or an Elitist. I like how you've changed tact though. You're probably one of the few people on here that would debate that a Platypus was not a mammal, and cite its egg laying as the reason why.
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  24. #54
    The point is that you don't apply your standards evenly. You chose an extremely liberal definition of bigot and decided to apply it to Lewk only. Lewk also happens to be the person here whose views are most different to your own. You do not apply nearly as liberal a definition of the term to people who agree with you.
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  25. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The point is that you don't apply your standards evenly. You chose an extremely liberal definition of bigot and decided to apply it to Lewk only. Lewk also happens to be the person here whose views are most different to your own. You do not apply nearly as liberal a definition of the term to people who agree with you.
    It is evenly applied. I have seen Chaloobi change his opinions, and I have seen Nessus change hers when presented with enough evidence, although sometimes she lapses. Tear is pretty adamant when it comes to Neocons. I can't say I have ever seen Lewk change his opinions, and that is part of what is mentioned in the definition for bigotry, a strong or obstinate devotion or attachment to one's opinions barring evidence otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Fair enough. Ok, let's go by how he treats people on here. He's opinionated, but he's even-tempered. He takes a lot of flak but doesn't dish any out. As a personal matter he has a religious-based objection to homosexuality but doesn't bring it up unless someone else does, supports same-sex unions, and thinks Don't Ask Don't Tell is moronic. He doesn't think someone smoking dope is an issue that concerns him. He strongly supports self and home-defense, even to the point of lethality, and when broadly castigated for this evinced a strong tendency to demonstrate that belief in increasingly tasteless circumstances. His politics are highly partisan, expressing in abstract an ideology of government minimalism which he did not always follow through on solidly when it came to real politics.

    Where does any of this look like the bullying Nessus has alleged? For that matter, please tell me where in his posting history that he taken any opinions we consider bigoted and spoken of making them policy, of trying to force the rest of society to share his views?

    Do I think Lewk is really happy that someone was strangled over a tube of toothpaste? No, I don't. Nor do I think he was horrified. I doubt many of us were really horrified by that story, whatever intellectual gloss we assumed for our visible reactions. It was presented to us in a relatively neutral account, leached of most emotional content by the textual journalistic medium. Lewk probably did feel good about several accounts of lethal home defense though. He's publicly judged for that, frequently, by people on here, who find his opinions distasteful, but he mostly doesn't take the time to publicly judge others for what he feels to be distasteful.

    So who is being intolerant, really? Who is actually treating people badly, in the only sphere we can see, which you allege tells us how people behave in all spheres of life? By your standard*, Lewk is a saint among monsters. He's a bigot who doesn't actually treat people in accordance with his personal opinions, while most posters on here are bigots who do treat people in accordance with their intolerance.

    *And I'll note that apparently, in strict discordance with the many claims of a morally relativistic world by most of Lewk's attackers, that apparently "bigotry" is binary and all-encompassing, that apparently we do live in a morally objective world and that objective standard is set by intolerance, which we all display.

    Except possibly for Nessus. She might actually maintain a morally relativist albeit dystopian viewpoint. It can be hard to tell, since as far as she's concerned all the relative points are bad ones. The world is constructed tautologically where if her negative view of something is wrong, that only means things are worse than she thought.
    This is a lot of text to digest and go through, and I think you make some good points, so I'll address it in the future when I have more time, likely tomorrow, as I have a lot to do today. Sorry
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  26. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I didn't realize that having "inappropriate" views is now considered a form of trolling, while apparently insulting said person is perfectly fine. I think some people are so used to only interacting to people who think, look, and talk like them, that they have become completely intolerant to people who are in any way different.
    2 cents: You're far more a troll than Lewk. Oh, he trolls, but not like you do.
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  27. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Can I take it that it's your view that Nessus is a bigot? As are Chaloobi and Tear?
    I am EyeKhan and I try hard not to be bigoted. I like to think I'm very tolerant. The only sort of behavior I would really support limiting is that intended to harm others or limit the freedom of those not harming others.
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  28. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Lil'Fuz
    so you can go fuck yourself sideways you close-minded little shit.
    Is this the authoritative Little Fuzzy summary on the situation? I am a close-minded (can't argue with that due to my Nazi sympathies), little (questionable since I am somewhat obese but ostensibly we're following the Dreadnaught camp of assaulting the magnitude of one's intelligence) piece of faecal matter? Really Fuzzy? You're going out on a limb here to defend those who'd like to see you brutally murdered? Is it just that Lewk has a more Murikan approach than Ahmadinejad, asking for addresses and kicking ass?
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  29. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    I am EyeKhan and I try hard not to be bigoted. I like to think I'm very tolerant. The only sort of behavior I would really support limiting is that intended to harm others or limit the freedom of those not harming others.
    I don't think you're bigoted, but you do meet the definition used by Illusions. You're reflexively "liberal" and view every issue in that light. You also think conservatives are the spawn of Satan, or at least Cthulhu.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Is this the authoritative Little Fuzzy summary on the situation? I am a close-minded (can't argue with that due to my Nazi sympathies), little (questionable since I am somewhat obese but ostensibly we're following the Dreadnaught camp of assaulting the magnitude of one's intelligence) piece of faecal matter? Really Fuzzy? You're going out on a limb here to defend those who'd like to see you brutally murdered? Is it just that Lewk has a more Murikan approach than Ahmadinejad, asking for addresses and kicking ass?
    Wait, you're claiming Lewk wants to see all gay people brutally murdered? Or are you doing guilt by association here?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    ... so you can go fuck yourself sideways you close-minded little shit.
    *mod-cough*

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