Chaloobi, Being, Nessus, and Khen.
Chaloobi, Being, Nessus, and Khen.
Hope is the denial of reality
Oh noes! Socialists! Run for teh hills!
Seriously, I don't quite see where my supposedly being "socialist" invalidates my criticism of Lewk's obvious hipocrisy.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I contend everyone on this board is socialist to a degree. You singling out a few just shows your refusal to accept that the quality of life you enjoy is riddled with socialist values.Originally Posted by Loki
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
When did I say that?
Hope is the denial of reality
When you say Socialists, do you mean Social Democrats?
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Anyone who wants a predominant role for the state in managing the means of production. So yes, social democrats would be included, as would democratic socialists, national socialists, and communists.
Hope is the denial of reality
I believe he means anyone who recognizes the limitations of Capitalism.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
I mean when labelling those specific people.
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Loki uses it as a slur, not an objective opinion.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Yeah, that's why I didn't include Tear or Illusions.
Hope is the denial of reality
You have absolutely no objective reasoning to back this up. But I'm willing to play with you. What industries do I want nationalized?
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Captain Nuance strikes again, my work is done here.
What a crappy name
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
What do you even mean by that? I hope you're not aiming at "evil regulations"?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Well, I am not a socialist. And who is this Chaloobi character. I haven't seen any posts of his, but by the talk around here he must be a fairly clever guy.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
So you are a Capitalist?
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Well fuck me, I'm totally being ignored in this thread. Fuck you.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Is that how it is? One or the other? Capitalism is very useful, very powerful in the right circumstance, but needs to be regulated strictly and accompanied by social safety nets to aid those left out.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Then it is not Capitalism so why call it that and give people like Loki a word to use in arguments that distinguish one from the other?
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
You just want the government to decide which domestic industries will succeed and which will not. You want it to decide which industries are allowed to compete internationally and which are not. You want the government to tell companies where they can and cannot hire workers, and where they can and cannot invest money. You want the banking sector to be virtually controlled by the government. Full nationalization would make a minimal difference from the system you'd prefer.
Hope is the denial of reality
You are wrong on all accounts. I want the government to help us be competative in the global market for goods, not just services. Services doesn't seem to be capable of paying the bills. Let's get back to basics a manufacture stuff that the rest of the world will buy.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
By being competitive, you mean not allowing "outsourcing" and forcing companies to pay union wages? Pray tell how increasing their labor and non-labor costs would make these companies competitive.
Hope is the denial of reality
By which you mean you want the government to treat manufacturing the way we treat domestic sugar farming.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
What on Earth does sugar subsidies have to do with manufacturing goods?
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Do you even want Americans to have jobs? Never mind, all you'll ever have to do is teach them how to live without.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Nice dodge. Please tell me how inflating labor and non-labor costs of American firms would boost their competitiveness.
Hope is the denial of reality
Tell me who is inflating the cost. To make it easy for you, just reference my quote from Warren Buffett about Squanderville.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Sorry for expecting a straightforward response from you.
How much more staightforward can a person be? It's not that our labor costs are high, it's that their manufacturing costs are artificially low. They don't have to pay for clean air or clean water...yet. Why can't we compete with that?
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
How else do you think you're going to get companies to make a return on unprofitable investments? What bit of magic do you think makes manufacturing here profitable but something companies simply choose to ignore? If you want manufacturing here, you're going to have to do the same thing we do with sugar. They're the same market problem.
You do know that article you posted isn't talking about manufactured goods, right? Imports/exports are not synonyms for manufactured goods.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
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