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    At least part of this post belongs here so as to receive the attention it deserves.

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    If the democrats had some balls, they would be playing baseball, not politics.
    They do not have balls, they have guns.

    Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda
    Top US Official Murdered After Arkansas Weapons Test Causes Mass Death
    A shocking report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) states that one of the United States top experts in biological and chemical weapons was brutally murdered after he threatened to expose a US Military test of poison gas that killed hundreds of thousands of animals in Arkansas this past week.
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    From the first link,



    Interesting to note about the assassination of Judge Roll is that it is being blamed on a “lone gunman” said to be mentally unstable (aren’t they all) said directed at a US Congresswoman named Gabrielle Giffords, who survived this mass killing, and that killed at least 5 other innocent people, including a 9-year-old girl named Christina Taylor Green “curiously” born on September 11, 2001 (9/11).
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    At least now we know where Alpha gets his information from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    It's definitely a campaign in poor taste, but I think that's the end of it. I somehow doubt anyone sane would be convinced to go out and assassinate a politician based off her remarks, and those that would are likely to have done something equally insane without her prodding.
    Sane people follow Palin?
    There seems to be a deep seated fear here that Tea Party members are just waiting to explode and commit treason, but I have yet to see any proof supporting that claim.
    Again, this isn't about the Tea Party.

    Do you think Palin's or the Tea Parties rhetoric influenced this troubled young man to kill?
    I think that when someone puts out a hitlist of political figures, and one gets capped, thats something we should be hanging our heads in shame about.
    These are people trying to do the best they can for a country I think they love.
    I don't agree with either point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    If you people are complaining that political speech causes violence I hope you are all lining up to ban violent video games and movies. If not your a bunch of hypocrites.
    Oh man, if only this made even a tiny bit of damn sense.


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    If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.
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    It's tastless to use such symbolic gun language in light of recent events.

  5. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    Source

    Here's some more fuel for the fire. I'm still kinda appalled at how this is turning into ammunition for political attacks.
    Agreed, I'm highly distressed at how easily people are slipping into this mindset of "opposition to Obama/health care provokes violence." People are taking they hyper-sensitivity to people opposing Obama/Obamacare, projecting it onto an insane gunman and then extrapolating to demonize those on the other side of political issues.

    This is really disgusting, but it's the Guardian so I guess not surprising.

    In the US, where hate rules at the ballot box, this tragedy has been coming for a long time

    The shooting of Gabrielle Giffords may lead to the temporary hibernation of rightwing rage, but it is encoded in conservative DNA

    Michael Tomasky
    guardian.co.uk, Sunday 9 January 2011 17.37 GMT

    It was instructive to read elected Republicans' official statements in response to the Gabrielle Giffords shooting for what they did not say. The House Speaker, John Boehner, said: "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured and their families. This is a sad day for our country." Arizona Senator John McCain issued the following: "I am horrified by the violent attack on representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion. I pray for Gabby and the other victims, and for the repose of the souls of the dead and comfort for their families. Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race."

    All well and good, and I have no doubt every word is sincere. But you'll note that they are silent on the question of the violent rhetoric that emanates from the rightwing of American society. You don't have to believe that alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, is a card-carrying Tea Party member (he evidently is not) to see some kind of connection between that violent rhetoric and what happened in Arizona on Saturday.

    Is he a nut? Of course he's a nut. By definition, anyone who shoots innocent people like that has a screw loose. But nuts come in many varieties. There are some who think Dick Cheney planned 9/11, others who believe the CIA has installed eavesdropping devices in their fillings, and still others who insist they're the reincarnation of Mary Queen of Scots. So what particular type of nut is Loughner? We don't have a full picture yet. But we have enough of one. His coherent ravings included the conviction that the constitution assured him that "you don't have to accept the federalist laws". He called a female classmate who had an abortion a "terrorist".

    In sum, he had political ideas, which not everyone does. Many of them (not all, but most) were right wing. He went to considerable expense and trouble to shoot a high-profile Democrat, at point-blank range right through the brain. What else does one need to know? For anyone to attempt to insist that the violent rhetoric so regularly heard in this country had no likely effect on this young man is to enshroud oneself in dishonesty and denial.

    I would like to report to you that my nation is in shock, and that we will work together to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. Alas, neither of these things is close to true. Of course an event like this is hard to believe in the moment; but in the context of our times, it's really not surprising at all. Last summer, a California man armed himself and set off for San Francisco with the express intent of killing liberals at a nonprofit foundation that had been pilloried by Glenn Beck and others. Only the lucky accident of his arrest en route for drunk driving prevented the mayhem then.

    The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has documented more than two dozen killings by or arrests of rightwing extremists who intended to do serious political violence since 2008. One Tennessee man killed two worshippers at a liberal church, regretting only that he had not been able to ice the 100 liberals named by author Bernard Goldberg as those most responsible for destroying America. Giffords herself received threats after voting for the healthcare reform bill, and shots were fired through the window of her district office. An event like this has been coming for a long time.

    As to the future, some things will change, at least for a while. Sarah Palin will be deeply diminished by this. Speaking about the now well-known cross-hairs imagery over the map of Giffords' congressional district on Palin's website, Giffords herself last year expressed concern about "consequences". Palin pooh-poohed this at the time. Her unctuous and hypocritical "prayer" for Giffords and the other victims will mollify only those who think she can do no wrong. But in general, this hastens that blessed day when we no longer have to pay attention to her self-serving lies and idiocies.

    Republicans and even Tea Partiers will have the sense – again, for a while – to steer clear of directly gun-related rhetoric. We won't be hearing much in the near term about "second amendment remedies" and insurrection and so forth. But this will be temporary. Guns are simply too central to the mythology of the American right, as is the idea of liberty being wrested from tyrants only at gunpoint. For the American right to stop talking about armed insurrection would be like American liberals dropping the subjects of race and gender. It's too encoded in conservative DNA.

    In addition, contemporary American conservatism has been utterly arrested by this ridiculous paranoid fantasy that our government is a tyranny. Here was Republican Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia, speaking in Washington last April on the occasion of the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing: "Fellow patriots, we have a lot of domestic enemies of the constitution, and they're right down the Mall, in the Congress of the United States – and right down Independence Avenue in the White House that belongs to us. It's not about my ability to hunt, which I love to do. It's not about the ability for me to protect my family and property against criminals, which we have the right to do. But it's all about us protecting ourselves from a tyrannical government." The year before, this same Broun singled out then-Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, as one such "domestic enemy of the constitution". He was re-elected last November with 67% of the vote.

    This kind of rhetoric will go into hibernation now, but only for a bit. Because not only is it too central to rightwing mythology; it is central to Republican electoral strategy. This is one of those things that no one says, because it can't really and truly be proved forensically, but everyone knows. Get people to hate liberals. Get them to think not only that liberals have ideas for the country that are wrong – get them to believe that liberals despise the country and are actively attempting to hasten its demise. Say progressivism isn't just invalid or even dangerous, but "evil" and a "cancer," as Glenn Beck says. Fear gets people to the ballot box.

    Direct responsibility for what happened Saturday? No. Mentally ill people are mentally ill. The Beatles weren't responsible for the messages that Charles Manson heard in their music. But there's a difference. Paul McCartney had no earthly reason to think that an innocent song about a fairground ride (Helter Skelter) would lead a man to commit barbarous acts of murder. Today's Republicans and conservative commentators, however, surely understand the fire they're playing with. But they do it, and a tragedy like Saturday's won't stop them, as long as they can maintain a phoney plausible deniability and as long as hate continues to pay dividends at the ballot box.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...fords-loughner
    I know, the Republicans all got into office by making vague references to killing their opponents. Like the Beatles and Charles Manson. Or something. SOCIALISM NOW.

    As if the rhetoric calling Bush/Republicans mass murderers and war criminals was merely "justifiable".

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    Obama Hatred At McCain-Palin Rallies: "Terrorist!" "Kill Him!" (VIDEO)
    The Secret Service is following up on media reports today that someone in the crowd at a McCain/Palin event suggested killing Barack Obama, according to Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley. The shout of "kill him" followed a Sarah Palin rant on Obama's relationship with radical Chicagoan Bill Ayers.

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  7. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Sane people follow Palin?
    Sure do. Demonizing your opponent may make you feel better about yourself and your positions, but it certainly doesn't make you better than those you hate. It's easy, lazy thinking, and it's nothing to be proud of.

    And yes, that applies to *them* too.

    Again, this isn't about the Tea Party.
    What is this about?

    I think that when someone puts out a hitlist of political figures, and one gets capped, thats something we should be hanging our heads in shame about.
    When somebody does put out a "hit-list" on political figures let me know. Until then you might want to ratchet down the rhetoric, eh?

    If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.
    If the Muslim was saying that these were politicians that he didn't support and he urged people to vote against them, hopefully at home, with his family. That's not anything to be ashamed of, OG, that's something to be damn proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Sane people follow Palin?

    I think that when someone puts out a hitlist of political figures, and one gets capped, thats something we should be hanging our heads in shame about.

    Oh man, if only this made even a tiny bit of damn sense.


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    If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.
    It wasn't a "hit list" as in I'm going to "kill you." It was a hit list in terms of targeting vulnerable seats in the political process. To try to combine the two is ludicrous.

    To claim any sort of connection between the "hit list" and this guys actions is as dumb as trying to say violent video games cause kids to go on shooting rampages. Hence my statement that if you aren't also in favor of banning violence in video games and movies then your being a hypocrite.

  9. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    I certainly didn't. And the German translation "Fadenkreuz" has a pretty strong connotation of violence.

    Then again, I'm also absolutely appalled by the way US politicians use smear campaigns. I reminds me of apes flinging shit around - which only leaves everyone dirty.
    You can't translate things like that. The Americans often talk about "leader", this is e.g. one of the no-go words in German ("Führer"). But I don't like the campaign either. And the fact that the symbol for a "finished" target is coloured red doesn't make it any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Oh, do grow up.
    I'm serious. If the political speech referenced here is a problem, then violence in the media and entertainment has to be a bigger one. But as best I can recall, almost every poster on here is pretty dismissive of links between violence in entertainment and actual behavior, whatever the measurable brain activity stimulated may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    You tell me.
    No. No more than GTA should be banned.

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    Seems the nutjob wanted to join the US Army but got refused.

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    I think all speculation as to how much the shooter was/was not motivated by political reasons is relatively moot until we find out more about this alleged older accomplice, and what his political motivations are.

    Given that it's generally agreed that the shooter is insane to some degree, I think it's more than likely that this accomplice took advantage of the lad and influenced him to shoot Giffords.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

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    The alleged older accomplice was cleared of all involvement. I think it was just some unclear sequences in the security footage.

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    Ah. Hadn't heard.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I'm serious.
    I know, that's the sad thing.

    If the political speech referenced here is a problem, then violence in the media and entertainment has to be a bigger one. But as best I can recall, almost every poster on here is pretty dismissive of links between violence in entertainment and actual behavior, whatever the measurable brain activity stimulated may be.
    I don't know about Ominious Gamer, he's probably fixated on the Palin thing because it has a picture you can post at people and go "lol". What I'm talking about is stuff like Allen West telling supporters to make his opponent "afraid to come out of his house", or Boehner saying that a democrat representative "may be a dead man", a tea party activist publishing the home address of a democrat on his facebook page, Sharon Angle saying "I hope that's not where we're going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." And you think this stuff is equivalent to violence in video games and film?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I'm serious. If the political speech referenced here is a problem, then violence in the media and entertainment has to be a bigger one. But as best I can recall, almost every poster on here is pretty dismissive of links between violence in entertainment and actual behavior, whatever the measurable brain activity stimulated may be.
    Does the violence in games and media say directly to the consumer: "Take this guy*) out?"

    No? Then I fear you're comparing apples and oranges here. Also: Goebbels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Demonizing your opponent
    Not doing that at all. There are far more stable, honest, sane voices within the Tea Party. Hell, even Dread has complained about Palin having a voice this far into politics. She hasn't expressed an original opinion yet, but she is famous for turning it up into borderline violent. She wouldn't have a podium if her fanfare was sane.
    What is this about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    The problem is with the talking heads, and their hateful and ignorant remarks to an equally ignorant following. Only connection is that the worst offenders (thread has already touched on Beck and Palin) happen to also be Tea Party supporters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I think that when someone puts out a hitlist of political figures, and one gets capped, thats something we should be hanging our heads in shame about.
    When somebody does put out a "hit-list" on political figures let me know. Until then you might want to ratchet down the rhetoric, eh?
    I'm only quoting the news article I posted on the first page. Of course you pull the polar opposite and completely brush it off as nothing, something to be proud of infact, in your next line
    That's not anything to be ashamed of, OG, that's something to be damn proud of.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    "hit list" and this guys actions is as dumb as trying to say violent video games cause kids to go on shooting rampages.
    My apologizes Lewk. I forgot you live in a fantasy world where its good that people get murdered over toothpaste, where you think its sweet if your words could convince people to be violent. I understand now it must hard for you to tell the difference between reality and fiction, a call to action and a call to violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I don't know about Ominious Gamer, he's probably fixated on the Palin thing because it has a picture you can post at people and go "lol". What I'm talking about is stuff like Allen West telling supporters to make his opponent "afraid to come out of his house", or Boehner saying that a democrat representative "may be a dead man", a tea party activist publishing the home address of a democrat on his facebook page, Sharon Angle saying "I hope that's not where we're going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." And you think this stuff is equivalent to violence in video games and film?
    I can do video too.
    Talking heads calling for assassinations:




    The Palin hitlist was an example of how far the rhetoric has gone without much more than a "meh" in response. The complete lack of understanding, for a larger picture, is disturbing. First the image lacked context, and when that context was violence, the defense changed to it not being related, or somehow video games were brought in Its gone as far as not understanding the difference between a rifle scope and a target; but its all about context!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Not doing that at all. There are far more stable, honest, sane voices within the Tea Party. Hell, even Dread has complained about Palin having a voice this far into politics. She hasn't expressed an original opinion yet, but she is famous for turning it up into borderline violent. She wouldn't have a podium if her fanfare was sane.
    I'm not demonizing my opponent, but anybody who agrees with her, or likes her is insane? Does that not raise a red flag in your mind at all?

    I'm only quoting the news article I posted on the first page. Of course you pull the polar opposite and completely brush it off as nothing, something to be proud of infact, in your next line
    I'm quite glad I live in a free country, where people can hold reprehensible views. It is a source of great pride, in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    I'm not demonizing my opponent, but anybody who agrees with her, or likes her is insane? Does that not raise a red flag in your mind at all?
    agrees with ≠ liking . In fact one may agree with the base point someone else is expressing, but not at all agree with the method that they are advocating, or the attitude they've taken. It happens here all the time.
    Agreeing with someone does not make you a fan.
    I'm quite glad I live in a free country, where people can hold reprehensible views. It is a source of great pride, in fact.
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    Do like the choice of words however, since censurable is a synonym of reprehensible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    I'm quite glad I live in a free country, where people can hold reprehensible views. It is a source of great pride, in fact.
    Soo, are you also allowed to express disdain over those reprehensible views in this great country of cours?

    Free speech goes both ways, y'know.

    Then again, I find it funny that free speech in your book allows to propose violence but not speaking out against advertising violence. Maybe you should take a long look at your statements and the implications thereof.
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    Well, this is the problem isn't it? Repubs say fucked up things, and everyone else just equivocates and says "Sure, Angle just said we'll need to kill Harry Reid if he doesn't change his ways, but she didn't mean it literally because <bullshit>, and anyway, accusing her of inciting political violence just because she was inciting political violence is just as bad as inciting political violence! Both sides are as bad as each other." Like, what is this primary school?
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    And you continue to insist that widely-used phrases that are never intended to have violent connotations provoke violence. Sorry, but if you think people actually listen to minor politicians when they make these kind of remarks, you should be calling for the heads of the entertainment industry (oh look, I'm encouraging decapitation), seeing that most people are far more influenced by the media than by their local congressman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Thanks for the detailed response.
    I'm interested in your opinion. I think I've made it pretty clear I favor (some) regulation of political speech.
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    Who do you think influences the views of more people, congressmen or the media?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Except anyone who has control over their mental faculties can tell that they weren't calling for actual violence. The only people who this kind of rhetoric can influence are the people who are deeply troubled and can be influenced by plenty of other factors.
    I'm waiting for the gun control rhetoric to start. Here again we have an obviously mentally ill individual with easy access to enough firepower to shoot 20 people in about a minute, killing 6.... Is that a problem? Inciting the crazies to violence isn't such a big deal if the most dangerous weapon they can easily get is a machete. Who knows, a background check, a waiting period, might have made a difference. Though based on this guy's note, he did say he planned well in advance. Still, I'm surprised there hasn't been any gun control commentary yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    And you continue to insist that widely-used phrases that are never intended to have violent connotations provoke violence. Sorry, but if you think people actually listen to minor politicians when they make these kind of remarks, you should be calling for the heads of the entertainment industry (oh look, I'm encouraging decapitation), seeing that most people are far more influenced by the media than by their local congressman.
    You're right. Maybe she said we needed to take out Harry Reid, she meant booking a nice restaurant and bringing flowers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Who do you think influences the views of more people, congressmen or the media?
    Its a hand in hand type thing, isn't it? Sometimes politicians and pundits communicate directly - as with blogs, twitter, commercials, facebook, editorials, etc. Sometimes they're parrotted by the media in soudbites, news, commentary....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    And you continue to insist that widely-used phrases that are never intended to have violent connotations provoke violence. Sorry, but if you think people actually listen to minor politicians when they make these kind of remarks, you should be calling for the heads of the entertainment industry (oh look, I'm encouraging decapitation), seeing that most people are far more influenced by the media than by their local congressman.
    Well you can try to uphold a theory that people are not influenced by the tone of the discourse, but the facts on the ground are somewhat different.

    What we have is a woman being depicted as a target with a crosshair over it expressing that she felt uncomfortable about that graphic and expressing that people taking the debate in that direction should consider the consequences landing in a hospitalbed with a bullet in her head. Six other people died as the result of the attempt to kill her.

    Fact Loki, fact, nobody talking with hindsight, but the actual victim calling out the other side as irresponsable and being proven right.
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    You're right. Maybe she said we needed to take out Harry Reid, she meant booking a nice restaurant and bringing flowers?
    Following this, it does help explain Beck's problems as suppressed sexual tension towards Michael Moore:

    "I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out."

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