You breathe more toxins on the freeway than you do standing next to a smoker. You want driving banned now?Originally Posted by RandBlade
You breathe more toxins on the freeway than you do standing next to a smoker. You want driving banned now?
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Either that, or there are less crackheads because its illegal so the "war on drugs" is working. How about we just treat smokers the same as we treat crack addicts?
So we should make heroin and crack legal?However, I don't think they should be made illegal, and thus give the criminal element MORE money to screw us with.
Bull.
So you would declare the war a success? Wow, I must have missed the news.
And yes, I'm for legalizing drugs. Stick what ever you want into whatever orifice (of your own) you want. You just have a boner on this smoking thing, for some reason.
I would love smoking to disappear, just like anything that is bad for you, even in moderation and itty bitty small doses, but it will never happen. So I would rather deal with reality.
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And you've never dismissively said "Citation Needed" without providing any counter-evidence?
Depends how you measure it. When you contrast the number of people who take crack and tobacco, yes there is a difference.
I don't think we should criminalise tobacco instantly, but we should step-by-step eliminate areas where its OK etc on a way to it. I'm of two minds, I too would consider legalising all illegal drugs (and keeping tobacco illegal) or criminalising tobacco just like the others. Ultimately - but not overnight - I think the discrepancy between the way tobacco and heroin/cocaine are treated should be eliminated one way or another.And yes, I'm for legalizing drugs. Stick what ever you want into whatever orifice (of your own) you want. You just have a boner on this smoking thing, for some reason.
I would love smoking to disappear, just like anything that is bad for you, even in moderation and itty bitty small doses, but it will never happen. So I would rather deal with reality.
As for "this smoking thing", if we had somebody saying in the OP said, “Once we pass this, we will next be banning injecting crack cocaine into minors in cars" then I think it would be given a different reaction by most people than “Once we pass this, we will next be banning smoking ... in the cars of people who are driving minor ". I don't see why injecting minors with second hand smoke should be treated differently to injecting them with cocaine.
Never mind then
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My statement was perfectly sensible. Why wouldn't you expect that from me? Edit: I' appreciate it if you leave me out of your conversations. I leave you out of mine.
Car exhaust chemicals
Particulate matter
This is basically soot - it's most apparent effect is reducing visibility. It impacts on breathing and respiratory systems, damages lung tissues and causes cancer. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people and animals die prematurely each year due to the health effects of inhaling particulate matter.
Benzene
A carcinogen in humans, benzene is also very toxic aquatic life and can cause death in plants. It is a "precursor" component for formation of photochemical smog.
Formaldehyde
Another known carcinogen for humans, with similar effects to many animals and birds. In an aquatic environment, formaldehyde has a half life of between a day and ten days.
Polycyclic hydrocarbons
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states that some Polycyclic hydrocarbons may be carcinogens in humans and animals and can cause harmful effects on skin and the auto-immune system.
Some recent studies have also found car exhaust can create hydrocarbon-based free radicals which can linger indefinitely. These free radicals are believed to cause lung cancer and cardiovascular diseases. Even with the use of catalytic converters to help break down pollutants that cause smog, it may be creating conditions for the creation of these free radicals to form.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
I don't see anything there to show more damage from car exhausts than from cigarettes, try again.
Not worth my time. You obviously know everything there is to know about the topic.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
So you're happy to provide a claim that cigarette damage is less than exhaust damage, happy to provide as evidence for that a link to exhaust damage (with no quantification or comparison), but unhappy to back up the actual comparison?Not worth my time. You obviously know everything there is to know about the topic.
Claiming something without evidence is obviously not a proper way to debate. You however are the last motherfucker that should get to jump on someone else for doing it.
Maybe we should ban smoking while driving on the freeway in stop and go traffic since the smoke exits the car and becomes second hand smoke.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
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