http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_823504.html
When I read the headline I was quite pleased. Sadly apparently it wasn't true.
Some things are too good to be true :(
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_823504.html
When I read the headline I was quite pleased. Sadly apparently it wasn't true.
I guess I fail to see why someone being beaten would make anyone pleased. Of course, it's you, Lewk, so I should expect such an odd response.
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Atari bullshit refugee!!
The guy is clearly guilty of murdering his ex-wife. He then tried to profit from it. Frankly any bad thing that happens to him is a victory for justice. Maybe this story will inspire one of his fellow prison inmates to actually beat him to death.Originally Posted by oldmunchkin
What would Jesus do?
Question: If one of his fellow prisoners beats him to death, what then should happen to that prisoner?
Put down like the dog he is! Eye for an eye and all that.
Assuming OJ continues to be the same unrepentant ass that he is... Jesus will judge him along with the rest of humanity. Then he will sentence him to an everlasting torment of pain and suffering in the pits of hell.
However I'm not suggesting Christians should go out and beat OJ to death. I'm saying it would be hilarious if someone did beat him to death. Its like when a suicide bomber manages to only kill himself and no others. Are we joyful that he died causing no others harm? Of course. If a thief flees in a car and runs into a telephone pole and gets himself killed, do we not rejoice?
Right, hilarity ensues.
You're on a roll.Right, hilarity ensues.
You do know that the concept of "hell" is a catholic invention?
And even if there was, your buddy Jesus would have a very special place for you in mind. Probably right next to the guy.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Are we joyful that he died? No. Are we joyful that he caused no others harm? yes.
I realise this might be too complicated for you.
No. We do not.If a thief flees in a car and runs into a telephone pole and gets himself killed, do we not rejoice?
You do.
But you're going to hell, so enjoy while you can
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Besides, the telephone pole is someone's property and will be damaged. I thought you'd be very upset about that!
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
This is what a person who's been beaten to death looks like:
And, indeed, what could be more hilarious than that?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Ah but it's the property of the state, so...
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If one of his fellow prisoners beats him to death, what then should happen to that prisoner?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Apparently prisons are supposed to exist under the Law of the Jungle or something. It's really not good that our society and government tolerate the environment in our prisons.
Though our crime statistics do suggest that something is going well in aggregate.
Just a nitpick, this isn't actually true. Tartarus was a hell-like concept in Greek mythology long before Jesus or the Catholic church. There are a number of other proto-hells in various mythologies as well.
Interestingly, pre-rabbinic Judaism did not have a specific afterlife doctrine, and it most definitely didn't have the concept of a Christian hell (even in later rabbinic Judaism the closest equivalent to 'hell' was more of a purgatory, and that didn't evolve until later). Given the evidence and texts we have today, it seems likely that in Jesus' time there was not a specific Jewish doctrine of hell, though certainly some did believe in some sort of stratification of the afterlife on the basis of deeds done in life. Most of this is based on apocrypha, though, and it can be difficult to know how much these ideas had penetrated into Jewish thought.
Read Luke Chapter 16 19-31
Or Revelations...[19] "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. [20] At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores [21] and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. [24] So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
[25] "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. [26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
[27] "He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, [28] for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
[29] "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
[30] " 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
[31] "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
Actually, Lewk, the passage you quote uses the Greek word hades and not the more common gehenna (borrowed from Hebrew) or tartaro to describe hell. Hades, as many of you probably know, seems to describe an underworld where all dead souls go, similar in some respects to early Jewish views of the afterlife. It is not commonly used in writings to denote a place of suffering for the wicked; the passage in Luke is quite puzzling as a result. Had the passage used either of the other two words, it would be much easier to see it as describing a hell that is a place of torment for the wicked.
As a result of this somewhat puzzling word choice given the parable's context, there have arisen a number of different thoughts about what it means. AIUI, some of the Eastern Orthodox believe that the Hades here described was not the 'hell' as understood by later Catholic thinkers, while others have argued this passage indicates an evolution of early Jewish concepts of sheol/hades from an undifferentiated underworld to one which had varying levels based on one's righteousness in life.
Anyways, you picked more or less the worst biblical example to illustrate your point. There are plenty of mentions of gehenna or tartaro in the NT (though very few in the OT that seem to indicate a 'hell'). This is also besides the point; I assume the Khendra is coming from a perspective the doubts the authenticity and historicity of the Gospels; in the case of Luke, he probably dates it to the late 1st century and of unknown authorship. As a result, we'd have to rely on the known examples of pre-Jesus eschatology in Judaism and the surrounding cultures rather than a later manuscript that may or may not represent what he actually thought. Either way, conclusive proof can be brought that there were conceptions of a hell-like afterlife for the unrighteous well before Jesus, which is all of the proof needed.
To clarify my point: I was talking about the current view of hell, with the Devil having horns and goats' feet, pitchfork, fire and brimstone and all that demonic stuff.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Ok. Lazy deadbeats go to heaven, rich hard-working successful businessmen go to hell.
Cool Story Bro
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Didn't Jesus also say something about a camel and the eye of a needle? Which also is not really compatible with what Lewk thinks Jesus said.Ok. Lazy deadbeats go to heaven, rich hard-working successful businessmen go to hell.
Cool Story Bro
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Wait, are you guys trying to say that a lot of what the fundamentalist movement in the US says doesn't actually have very much to do with the bible? That can't be right, surely
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Regardless of the word for hell that was used in this passage your missing something very obvious.
Verse 24:
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Yes, but that's why later scholars have puzzled over the use of 'hades'. The point is that there are a plethora of understandings of this passage due to the unusual language; other passages are probably much better suited given the use of unambiguous language.
Some brands of Christianity can speak directly to God and have him answer, so ostensibly they could tell us what Hell is really like. Does God talk to Jews? I suppose not, that'd make the whole Moses thing kinda redundant.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Judaism does not preclude the possibility of a personal revelation (e.g. to a prophet) in ancient times, though it generally believes that direct prophecy no longer happens. It does, of course, generally believe in some form of mass revelation about 3300 years ago at Mount Sinai (though some modern branches of Judaism dispute the concept of a real revelation - let alone a verbal one - at all).
He does seem to be the type of guy who likes to leave you wondering.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
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