What's messing with your Groove?

[Nessus]

As a consumer, you can choose to only watch movies without post-credits scenes? I mean, if I don't like carrots, I can buy TV dinners that don't contain carrots, and am still able to enjoy that cardboard tastelessness and low nutritional values.

[Catgrrl]

Grr, just went to get some vanilla yogurt out of the fridge to eat with my fresh strawberries, and it had fuzz on top. I only opened it a few days ago.

Oh well, plain strawberries are delicious too!

[Timbuk2]

Ferris Bueller has a little scene after the credits in his movie

[/trivia]

[Illusions]

What they are doing currently is forcing people to watch the credits in order to see an additional scene. Knowing full well 99% of the people don't give a flipping crap about it. As a consumer that is insulting.

I'm sorry for humanity that I even have to point this out, but while you paid to watch a movie, you've paid to watch a movie they made, which means they can show it to you however they want. If you don't like it, don't pay for it. You always quip that the free market should fix this when the rest of us complain about a product or service that is a necessity operating in a manner that we don't like, I'm sure you should understand this even more when it comes to a luxury. As someone who makes things, its insulting that not only do you not care, but that you view it as a punishment that someone would dare to put something you deserve (a post-credit scene) after a long list of people who are nobodies you don't give a shit about, who worked on the movie you just watched.

I get a good feeling though from the fact that the guy who did the make-up design for Alien is probably going to be remembered far longer after your name and anything you will likely accomplish in your life is forgotten.

They got paid, that is the bleeping credit.

What if they negotiated contractually that they be recognized in the credits, or whatever company they worked for did? Its like money is the only form of compensation in your world...

Because, of course, movies would still be worth watching without all of those "nobodies."

I think the problem is is that he views them as an interchangeable cog in the production of something he is consuming.

[oldmunchkin]

Arrrrrrgh!!!! It's still raining! Will it never end? Maybe I'm just noticing it more because of the Lasix?! Oh well, someday, if we ever see sunshine again, everything will be all green and pretty!

[Lewkowski]

I'm sure you should understand this even more when it comes to a luxury. As someone who makes things, its insulting that not only do you not care, but that you view it as a punishment that someone would dare to put something you deserve (a post-credit scene) after a long list of people who are nobodies you don't give a shit about, who worked on the movie you just watched.

I get a good feeling though from the fact that the guy who did the make-up design for Alien is probably going to be remembered far longer after your name and anything you will likely accomplish in your life is forgotten.

Without looking it up name one make up artist you remember from reading the credits of a film only. (Ie not watching the "Making of special program, reading an article / review about a film. JUST by watching the credits do you recall a specific make up artist).







Yeah. Thought so.

Its total BS. Just put the damn extra scene BEFORE the credits and roll the credits afterward. Win / Win for everyone involved. Do you really think someone who feels "Forced" to watch the credits is going to really pay attention to them? Hell I know I start complaining about watching the credits and then start talking about the film as soon the credits start rolling. And I'm certainty not the only one in the theater that does it either.

[Ominous Gamer]

Uncanny how well Lewk's complaining fits right into Dread's thread about entertainment and ADHD

As a consumer that is insulting.

And they should totally start every suspense movie by giving away the big secret, every horror movie by saying who will live and die, every action movie by pointing out how many cars will get blown up, and every chickflick by labeling who will sleep with who.
You know, so the consumer doesn't has to suffer throught he boring bits of the movie

Fucking christ on a stick Lewk, no one is forcing you to wait out the credits, not seeing the 10 second clip after the credits doesn't somehow take away from the movie you just spent 90 minutes watching. The producer wants people to see how much work went into a movie, and those people that care enough to sit through it get rewarded. Its the same concept of certain movies running certain previews in certain time frame windows. Get there early enough and sit through the commercials, and you get to see cool trailers. Stay late enough and wait through the self advertising and you get another trailer (at least thats what the Marvel stingers are).

Not a hard concept to understand.

[littlelolligagged]

Do you actually think a film would be worth watching without the make-up artists, though, Lewk?

You don't have to watch the bonus material after the credits, you know. You can leave.

[Khendraja'aro]

Well, someone in our network is infected with the Torpiq virus - nasty little critter, that one. Rootkit, keylogger (tailored towards German banks, even!) and connected to a Bot-CC via http.

Here comes the fun part: This is what the message from the DFN looks like:
TCP Quellport Malwaretyp Zeitstempel(GMT+0000)
----------------------------------------------------------
63708 Torpig 2011-05-12 13:16:23
63706 Torpig 2011-05-12 13:15:52

The fun part is that they don't list the destination port. The source port is basically useless since a) we don't have a destination IP and b) if we had that we'd have to somehow log which (router) source port for which destination IP is NAT'ed to which client IP inside our NAT.

So I just installed Snort, added the proper filtering rules - and hopefully we'll catch the guy. Am I now evil for using Deep Packet Inspection?

[Lewkowski]

Do you actually think a film would be worth watching without the make-up artists, though, Lewk?

You don't have to watch the bonus material after the credits, you know. You can leave.

Sure. And if McDonald's decided to make everyone wait 3 minutes extra at the drive through window just because they can I would be irradiated too. Wouldn't necessarily stop me from getting my food there but it would be annoying.

And without the guy delivering product in a truck to McDonlads I wouldn't eat my lovely fries and nuggets. That doesn't mean I care one bit about his name. I don't see why this would be any different on a movie level. Efficiency has a purpose. My time is valuable. Your time is valuable. Sitting around watching credits that the vast majority of people don't want to is really annoying.

[Nessus]

Sure. And if McDonald's decided to make everyone wait 3 minutes extra at the drive through window just because they can I would be irradiated too.

I'm not sure, but this might be grounds for McDee's to sue you

[Draco]

I slipped on a wet surface some 2 weeks ago, and smacked my right hand on the ground at the time :\ it soon swelled up a bit and was somewhat painful for the rest of the day, but I figured I'd recover in a few days...but two weeks later, whilst it doesn't hurt anymore, anytime I try to bend my hand forward or backward it hurts Time to see a doctor!

[Timbuk2]

Most likely broken mate.

Sounds v similar to me. I punched a wall when I was drunk. Woke up the next day with a huge swelling in my hand. Ignored it for 2 or 3 days, thinking that it was a sprain, but the swelling didn't dissipate. Went to the docs for an X-ray, and it turned out that one of my bones had snapped in two, forming a shallow v shape.

The doc who'd taken the X-ray said it'd need an op and pins inserted. But the doc who treated me said it'd it'd heal fine and set in its broken position.

And now 10 years later it has set in its broken position. Works fine but there is a large lump sticking out the back of my hand.

[Draco]

Most likely broken mate.

I hope not I've never broken anything before! There is a small bump though where if I press on it, it hurts. I can write, type and so on though..

Sounds v similar to me. I punched a wall when I was drunk. Woke up the next day with a huge swelling in my hand. Ignored it for 2 or 3 days, thinking that it was a sprain, but the swelling didn't dissipate. Went to the docs for an X-ray, and it turned out that one of my bones had snapped in two, forming a shallow v shape.

The doc who'd taken the X-ray said it'd need an op and pins inserted. But the doc who treated me said it'd it'd heal fine and set in its broken position.

And now 10 years later it has set in its broken position. Works fine but there is a large lump sticking out the back of my hand.

That sounds pretty bad actually :/ But punching a wall when you're drunk, that doesn't sound good

[Timbuk2]

I hope not I've never broken anything before! There is a small bump though where if I press on it, it hurts. I can write, type and so on though..

A lump ... I really would get an x-ray ... that does sound like it could be a break.

[Illusions]

And without the guy delivering product in a truck to McDonlads I wouldn't eat my lovely fries and nuggets. That doesn't mean I care one bit about his name. I don't see why this would be any different on a movie level.

I could see if you were talking about the caterer for said movie, but you listed various jobs that require actual skill and training to do effectively. You also took it as a personal offense that they'd even want people to know their names.

[Khendraja'aro]

I could see if you were talking about the caterer for said movie, but you listed various jobs that require actual skill and training to do effectively. You also took it as a personal offense that they'd even want people to know their names.

"Oh, the audacity of the author to include the names of people who helped him in his book! On two pages even! And after those two pages is a preview for the next book! I have to flip two whole pages to read that! He could have left that out, made the book two pages thinner and 2 Cents less costly!"

[Flixy]

What if they negotiated contractually that they be recognized in the credits, or whatever company they worked for did? Its like money is the only form of compensation in your world...

Very true, credits are worth something too, see it as a CV. In smaller productions a lot of people on the credits did it for free, or just for the experience, and it's a 'reward' to be on the credits. And you don't have to watch the credits, you can just leave. Things after the credits are generally not important to the story anyway, just a fun extra.

For example, i am helping on set for a week to help a friend, but I am not getting paid a penny, as does most of the crew (I think only the actors get scarcely paid). Putting their names on the credits is the least. And companies who sponsored the film are also often mentioned in the credits, it's a sort of advertising. So 'forcing' people to watch through the credits increases the value of that, and you can ask companies more for it. So hey, it's a very capitalistic thing to do, shouldn't you be proud of that?

[GGT]

After really great movies, I like to watch the credits! Amazing how many people, teams and units go into the final product. Wardrobe, set design, art direction....so many behind the scenes that are responsible for movies! Even stunt doubles, or stunt animals.

[Lewkowski]

"Oh, the audacity of the author to include the names of people who helped him in his book! On two pages even! And after those two pages is a preview for the next book! I have to flip two whole pages to read that! He could have left that out, made the book two pages thinner and 2 Cents less costly!"

Really that point is pretty meaningless as well but flipping through two pages is a lot better then sitting for over 5 minutes looking at a list of people who you will not remember and do not care about.

[Lewkowski]

After really great movies, I like to watch the credits! Amazing how many people, teams and units go into the final product. Wardrobe, set design, art direction....so many behind the scenes that are responsible for movies! Even stunt doubles, or stunt animals.

OK, I'm not saying you can't have credits. I'm saying give the option to the folks who they are serving, ie the consumer.

[littlelolligagged]

OK, I'm not saying you can't have credits. I'm saying give the option to the folks who they are serving, ie the consumer.

They are giving you the option. No one is making you stay to watch a small amount of bonus material. You want to see it, but you want them to just give it to you without expecting anything from you in return.

[Khendraja'aro]

I remember movies who had an assload of credits before the actual movie began...

... would've given Lewk a heart attack, probably.

[Lewkowski]

They are giving you the option. No one is making you stay to watch a small amount of bonus material. You want to see it, but you want them to just give it to you without expecting anything from you in return.

Of course I have an option. And of course the theaters / movie makers can do what they wish. I'm saying that its a stupid choice they are making. One that is pointless (since pretty much no one cares about the credits) and aggravates the people who consume their product.

[Nessus]

And according to the rules of the markets, their product will die out in favour of the superior one, so why are you whining?

[Flixy]

Of course I have an option. And of course the theaters / movie makers can do what they wish. I'm saying that its a stupid choice they are making. One that is pointless (since pretty much no one cares about the credits) and aggravates the people who consume their product.

As said before, it makes more people watch the credits. Names on credits are worth something. Listing sponsors (companies) on credits is worth money, and I mean serious money. And a lot of people do stuff for free, if they are listed on the credits. And if you make more people watch the credits like this, more people will do stuff for less money. I'd thought a person like you would appreciate films raising money in this way. It's better than interrupting the film for commercial breaks!

[Flixy]

Just for your information: today I have gotten at least 600€ worth of free stuff (rental vans and energy drink), and an option for ~€200 more (whiskey and phone credit), purely for credits. And that's not a film with distribution, we cannot guarantee more than two viewings in cinema (of course we expect more, but you can't be certain).

[Dattu]

I ordered Mortal Kombat with one-day shipping. Today I realized I sent it to an address six hours away. FFFUUUUUUU...

[GGT]

I remember movies who had an assload of credits before the actual movie began...

... would've given Lewk a heart attack, probably.

I remember when some movie theatres would dim the lights and begin the trailers.....then turn the lights on and pass around the donation bucket for the (Roy Rogers?) philanthropy collecting money to care for aging/elderly/ill actors. Might have been AMC theatres, but I can't remember. It was irritating and awkward. They eventually stopped doing that, after tons of complaints from audiences feeling trapped and embarrassed into donating.

[littlelolligagged]

I just had to turn the heat on. In mid-May. That's so wrong.