So, did he or didn't he?

[GGT]

Maybe, if it weren't for the fact she got a lawyer before she reported anything.

At this point the "news" is going to report things that may or may not be reliable. At a posh hotel like Sofitel, I would hope and expect that their management was just as concerned about their staff as their patrons, and would dial 911/contact police AND notify their corporate legal staff. I'd say that's some good thinking from their management staff, actually.

[Hazir]

At this point the "news" is going to report things that may or may not be reliable. At a posh hotel like Sofitel, I would hope and expect that their management was just as concerned about their staff as their patrons, and would dial 911/contact police AND notify their corporate legal staff. I'd say that's some good thinking from their management staff, actually.

The maid's brother says his sister did not stop sobbing when she called him to say she had been sexually assaulted by one of the world's most powerful men.

Working at a cafe in Harlem, the man identifying himself as the alleged victim's brother recalled his "good Muslim" sister crying inconsolably.

"She did not stop crying. I told her, 'don't hurt yourself'. I wanted to get a lawyer for her. I've never heard her like that before. She was completely devastated," he said


source

[GGT]

The maid's brother says his sister did not stop sobbing when she called him to say she had been sexually assaulted by one of the world's most powerful men.

Working at a cafe in Harlem, the man identifying himself as the alleged victim's brother recalled his "good Muslim" sister crying inconsolably.

"She did not stop crying. I told her, 'don't hurt yourself'. I wanted to get a lawyer for her. I've never heard her like that before. She was completely devastated," he said


source

And.....? Would you like us to comment on how the abc.net reported the story so far, or what?

[Hazir]

And.....? Would you like us to comment on how the abc.net reported the story so far, or what?

That was a quote from her brother; before all they turned to a lawyer. Since when do victims in rape cases need lawyers to report a crime? They wouldn't really need them would they? Of course, if you're in it for the money, then a lawyer makes a whole lot of sense.

[GGT]

That was a quote from her brother; before all they turned to a lawyer. Since when do victims in rape cases need lawyers to report a crime? They wouldn't really need them would they? Of course, if you're in it for the money, then a lawyer makes a whole lot of sense.

Quotes from brothers aren't the same as sworn statements by victims. I don't really know what you're getting at (and dammit, these dual discussions between D & D and General Chat always confuse me!) The victim in this case is a Guinea immigrant woman who's employed by a sophisticated hotel, with their own corporate attorneys.

I don't know about you, but if was a hotel maid told to clean an empty suite, and found myself chased around by an unexpected man coming out of the shower.....[insert testimony].....I would run to the hallway and yell for help from my fellow hotel maids. They'd most likely help me to our employee lounge and call management. Somewhere during the crisis 911 would be called.

Seriously Hazir, if you experienced sexual harassment or abuse (or any other crime) during your work hours, the FIRST thing you'd do is dial 911? Or would you enlist the help of your fellow workers and managers, and in your shock pretty much agree to whatever they suggested?

[Dreadnaught]

That was a quote from her brother; before all they turned to a lawyer. Since when do victims in rape cases need lawyers to report a crime? They wouldn't really need them would they? Of course, if you're in it for the money, then a lawyer makes a whole lot of sense.

Lawyers represent you and help you evaluate options (do you press charges, do you press for a settlement, etc). And if our system is so unjust, doesn't everyone need protection?

[Hazir]

Lawyers represent you and help you evaluate options (do you press charges, do you press for a settlement, etc). And if our system is so unjust, doesn't everyone need protection?

Interesting though that a victim of rape has settlement on her mind as the first point of business. And if you really need a lawyer to report a violent crime against yourself in your country it's even more proof that your system is broken.

[Dreadnaught]

Interesting though that a victim of rape has settlement on her mind as the first point of business. And if you really need a lawyer to report a violent crime against yourself in your country it's even more proof that your system is broken.

Holy crap, this is fascinating. Who said she has a settlement on her mind? I'm just listing a few reasons why she might hire a lawyer and now you're off to suggesting that she's a settlement whore.

It's not about reporting a violent crime, it's about choosing your options once its reported.

[RandBlade]

Evil American Conspiracy Strikes Again: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17110618
How horrendous that Evil Prejudicious American Journalists were surrounding the car he was taken to the Police cell in [see video in link]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

[earthJoker]

How horrendous that Evil Prejudicious American Journalists were surrounding the car he was taken to the Police cell in [see video in link]

Wait a moment, they can just drive by the journalist by car? I mean how? You have to handcuff him, take him outside and let him walk through the pack.

[Hazir]

Wait a moment, they can just drive by the journalist by car? I mean how? You have to handcuff him, take him outside and let him walk through the pack.

Yeah, you know, it's quite the same; journalists doing their job or the authorities using them to shame the suspect into submission. We Europeans wouldn't understand that, with all our silly deference to outdated concepts like privacy and not being presumed guilty untill convicted.

[wiggin]

Wait a moment, they can just drive by the journalist by car? I mean how? You have to handcuff him, take him outside and let him walk through the pack.

You do realize that in France it's actually illegal to publish photos of a perp walk irrespective of whether you were given an opportunity to take said photos. In fact, during the DSK case in NYC, French authorities reminded journalists of this law and were largely ignored.

Also, as I understand it if DSK had been arrested in France rather than brought in for questioning, he would have been given more protections from the press, including special arrangements for his transport that avoided reporters. Just sayin'.

[earthJoker]

You do realize that in France it's actually illegal to publish photos of a perp walk irrespective of whether you were given an opportunity to take said photos. In fact, during the DSK case in NYC, French authorities reminded journalists of this law and were largely ignored.

Well, not the first time in history where a law is not enforced.

Also, as I understand it if DSK had been arrested in France rather than brought in for questioning, he would have been given more protections from the press, including special arrangements for his transport that avoided reporters. Just sayin'.

So? Should I be shocked now? I don't agree that a someone that is being arrested should have more rights, but he shouldn't have less rights either. Actually he should have the same personal rights as any person who hasn't been proved to be guilty with the exception of free movement and communication.

Free movement can be limited because of the risk that the person can hide from justice. Communication can be limited because of the danger of collusion. Other than that the government should try to treat the person with the same care as if he was innocent (as long not proven guilty).

[CitizenCain]

Free movement can be limited because of the risk that the person can hide from justice. Communication can be limited because of the danger of collusion.

Seems to me like those two risks can be largely eliminated with advances in technology, and keeping those assorted restrictions in place (bail, for example) is a testament to how archaic and fucking backwards law has become in the face of accelerating technological process.