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    And we're back to you being a lying shit/and or knowing nothing about security. If you'd like to clarify which of this it is, I'd be happy to make a note of it, instead of assuming it's both, by the way. But thanks for dragging your ignorant baggage and/or lying jackassery into this thread as well.
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    This is, what, the fifth time now I've asked for more facts? And instead of providing it, you're blustering again?

    I'm pretty sure the others have also noted that you've utterly failed to provide anything of any substance. I mean, you can't even prove why I'm supposed to know nothing of security - because all we have are your nebulous claims. All we have are your statements that I'm wrong just because you say so.
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    So, ignorant and a liar. Good to know. As for how I know you're a complete security ignoramus, that would be on account of the assumptions underlying your repeated and irrelevant "factual requests" or whatever you want to call the smokescreen you're trying to put up to obscure the fact that if you believed your own shit, you'd jump at the chance to buy $250 from me for 1 Euro. Good luck with that, by the way. How's it working out for you so far?
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    Aha. So, requesting to know something more about the procedure makes me ignorant? Do you even know what the word "ignorant" means?

    Protip: It's not someone who wants more information. But this is fruitless. Off to ignore you go.

    Question to the others: Is my request for more information really that outlandish?
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    Definition of the word "ignorant," also something else Khen doesn't know. Ironic.

    But yeah, the question you repeatedly asked (to screen from the fact that you don't even believe your own shit) reveals fundamentally ignorant and broken assumptions that are incompatible with any level of knowledge or understanding about security.

    And, like I already explained, you're an asshole, and thus I'm not going to educate you for free while you bray like a jackass in my general direction. Don't like it, tough shit. Pay me, or stop being an arrogant, ignorant ass who belligerently defends his unfounded opinions on every topic... or accept your ignorance and move on, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Definition of the word "ignorant," also something else Khen doesn't know. Ironic.

    But yeah, the question you repeatedly asked (to screen from the fact that you don't even believe your own shit) reveals fundamentally ignorant and broken assumptions that are incompatible with any level of knowledge or understanding about security.

    And, like I already explained, you're an asshole, and thus I'm not going to educate you for free while you bray like a jackass in my general direction. Don't like it, tough shit. Pay me, or stop being an arrogant, ignorant ass who belligerently defends his unfounded opinions on every topic... or accept your ignorance and move on, I suppose.
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    I think we crossed a line somewhere back there, and this discussion is becoming way too heated. Both of you, please calm down if you intend to continue this.

    Also, it seems to have jumped into the wrong thread. Please keep your wars in the threads they've started in.

    Summary: Ease up on the hostilities, and take this back to the airplane thread where it started if you're going to continue at all. Probably not a bad idea to just drop it altogether, which I think Khen is already trying to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Eyesight's fine. Having a big ass monitor for the first time is a lot like sex... you wonder how you ever got along without it, and will go to great lengths to avoid going back to not having it again.
    As I have said a number of times, I have that in my office at home and at work. But sometimes its better to be using a Laptop as a Laptop so forgive me for not carrying a massive monitor in my briefcase

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    Fine, you're forgiven. I'll also [preemptively] forgive you for missing or ignoring the phrase "to each his own," which I used repeatedly regarding monitor preferences. Not wanting to carry a large monitor around with your laptop would fall under that "to each his own" qualifier, for future reference.
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    So let me get this straight, when you're walking around with your Laptop you lug around a portable 27" monitor with you in your Laptop case?

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    Of course not. That's why I own a nigger. And he carries my 42" TV around, the 60" one being too big for one nigger to carry safely.

    My monitors stay on my desk, where they belong.
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    Large monitors are amazing. I thought I had it perfect when I got a 2001FP (20.1") back when they were going for a grand new. Finally moved up to a 23" screen at 1080p and it made everything else feel like looking down a cardboard tube.
    I plan to move up to a 24, maybe a 26", after the next HD res is settled on. Considering how most desks are set up I don't see myself going higher than that. I have no wish to set all my game FOV settings to 100%.

    TVs in the livingroom are a different story, I still could have gone bigger after using the 61" DLP I had, but DLP and Plasma just aren't worth the power consumption and LED ain't at the right price point yet, so I settled for the 46" I have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Of course not. That's why I own a nigger. And he carries my 42" TV around, the 60" one being too big for one nigger to carry safely.

    My monitors stay on my desk, where they belong.
    So in other words when I say when I'm at my desk in the office at home or work and use large-screen monitors but use the Laptop as a Laptop when it's used the difference to what you do is?

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    Using the laptop without it being docked to a big screen... or much at all, I suppose.
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    Again, if in the office (home or away) quite prepared to hook it to a big screen.

    Don't understand people who buy a Laptop and only use it in an office though.

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    Do you know they bought them? Maybe the company bought them a laptop, contrary to their explicit wishes that they be given a desktop, which is cheaper, faster and just going to sit at the desk anyway, so who needs mobility? You know, for a purely hypothetical example. Other reasons might include meetings and travel... if you do a lot of either, having a mobile computing platform can come in handy, so you're never sitting in a room full of colleagues, bored to tears and unable to access your secret stash of work pr0n.
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    My dad has a laptop for work, for traveling and working at home. He has a docking station in his office though.

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    Can't read the link at work, so I don't know if this is only about live bans, or console bans, but news is that Microsoft is reversing certain bans caused by a software error

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/23/mi...-software-err/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Can't read the link at work, so I don't know if this is only about live bans, or console bans, but news is that Microsoft is reversing certain bans caused by a software error

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/23/mi...-software-err/
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    Anyway, it looks like it could affect Veldan. Text of article below, for any other naughty work slackers.

    Quote Originally Posted by The evil site blocked by OG's dutiful network admin
    Microsoft reversing recent Xbox Live bans caused by software error

    Microsoft is reversing specific Xbox Live bans, issued between August 29 and September 9, that were caused by a software error. The platform holder is looking to console those affected by providing them with three free months of Xbox Live and 1600 Microsoft Points ($20) for the inconvenience. Customers who were affected don't have to do anything -- the company is in the process of reversing the bans and updating appropriate accounts.

    "In this case, it was one of those very, very rare circumstances where we were using software on the Xbox 360 to assist [in policy enforcement]," Xbox Live Director of Policy and Enforcement Stephen Toulouse told Joystiq this afternoon. He noted that his team regularly looks at a variety of information and bans are done conservatively with human oversight. "An issue came up that we felt the right thing to do after we determined some [consoles] weren't tampered with was to undo the suspension."

    "We know exactly who was impacted," Toulouse stated. "This is a tiny fraction of the overall user base. This is not some widespread problem. If your console was suspended between the dates, the quickest way to find out if you were impacted by the software issue is to simply reconnect your console. If you can log in, you were impacted by the issue and we've unsuspended the console."

    Toulouse said that his team and the company will now begin the process of rebuilding trust regarding bans. Acknowledging this specific incident, he feels, is the first step. Next is opening up the discussion of console banning, a secretive process that up until this admission was unquestioned.

    "I think in the past the process being so conservative lent itself to a stricter appeals process and this issue has definitely illuminated to me that we need to go and revisit that. And I do commit to making a more transparent process for people to talk to us about suspensions of their console. I can absolutely commit to that, I would revisit that ... that transparency, I agree, needs to happen."

    Asked about what specifically went wrong with the unduly banned Xbox consoles, Toulouse couldn't provide details, "This is sometimes the toughest part of my role. I really can't go into that, but I'll tell you why: There are entire internet forums dedicated to parsing every word we say about what the console is doing when it is looking for modifications, so that they can figure out a way around it. We have to be careful about sharing to that level of specificity, because that's what they're looking for. So, I can't go into what it was looking for, or how it was looking for it, I can only state that due to a software issue it drew up some machines that were not tampered."

    Microsoft will no longer use the software that caused the error. "That is something we can do. We will discontinue the use of that particular technology."
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

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    Correct Cain, just got back from vaca and volia:
    Greetings,

    We have identified a software issue that may have impacted your Xbox 360 console and its ability to access Xbox LIVE. If you have received a console suspended message from August 29, 2011 to September 9, 2011, you may have been impacted by this issue. Please attempt to reconnect your console to Xbox LIVE and you should no longer receive the message.

    We apologize for the inconvenience this has probably caused you, and we are applying a three month Xbox LIVE Gold credit automatically to your account over the next few business days. In addition, 1600 Microsoft Points will also be deposited into your Xbox LIVE Gold account. You need take no action as these items will be applied automatically.

    The Xbox LIVE Enforcement team works to help make Xbox LIVE a safe and enjoyable experience for our customers. We very much regret this issue occurred and we hope to see you again on the service.
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    Yeah, kinda bites the 'We are never wrong' spiel right in the tush don't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    Yeah, kinda bites the 'We are never wrong' spiel right in the tush don't it?
    Out of curiosity, was their mea culpa and restitution enough to regain your trust as a customer, or have you been too put off by their handling of the situation?

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    Also kind of curious, if they were regularly wrong but never admitted it, what are the odds that your mistake just happened to fall under the period that they've now acknowledged there was a problem?

    Maybe their track record is that they were never wrong ... before now.

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    Both affirmative.

    I was in the time frame of their boo boo, and the 1600 pts and 3 months was enough of an apology. They just need to be more transparent.
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