fuckin overpaid bunch of useless tosspost tossers
god
fuckin overpaid bunch of useless tosspost tossers
god
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
One of the commentators here actually made the same point I did ("maybe they just aren't very good").
piss off
you have no clue
england has a future
I know it does co s i expect it to
i mean, collecticvely , they earn a few million
that must mean they are worth that
no?
~
christ
the defintinton of disapointing
Don't think anyone was planning on nuking England, but ok.
Hope is the denial of reality
This was even an under performance compared to how they played against the US, Loki. You can argue that they're not as good as other European and the Latin American teams, but come on. They should be able to beat Algeria. It's classic. They just can't handle the pressure. Sports psychology? What's that? Well just scream abuse at the players (because that'll help), fire the manager but ultimately change nothing fundamental.
Look at this:
What's that, Fabio, they play well in training but can't reproduce it on the night? That's a fucking mystery!And the Italian suggested the pressure of playing in a World Cup could be partly responsible for the poor display.
"Perhaps, I think so," said Capello. "The players play well during the training. I don't know why it is. I want to see the spirit of the team and I didn't see it this evening.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
You really think a player would be able to handle the pressure of playing in the Premiership, in European tournaments, in the World Cup qualifiers, but not in the World Cup? And that this magically affects most of the English players?
Hope is the denial of reality
I'd think the pressure of the actual world cup itself, is much more significant than those things, yes. And I don't think it's at all surprising that an unhealthy outlook should affect the whole England team, especially after the (relatively) showing against the US (another team they should have beat even if you accept the quality of the players is not as high as Spain, Italy, etc). Are you really going to argue that the English players are about as good as the Algerian ones, Loki, or are you going to accept that they just didn't play was well as they can, and that there might be some kind of reason for this?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Have you come up with an explanation about why this bug would only affect English players? And from what I see, a lot of teams are under-performing in this tournament. Might have something to do with the new ball or the vuvuzelas.
Hope is the denial of reality
Loki, why did the US men lose in Olympic basketball in 2004? Not as good as the rest of the world? Argentina and Italy, Italy, are that much better at basketball?
Or maybe it was how the USA basketball organization approached international competition? Hint: that's it.
Last time I heard, the vuvuzeles and the ball are the same for both sides.
And like I said, performances like this aren't a new experience for England fans. I don't expect them to best German, France, Italy, Argentina, Brazil and Spain every time they play, but they very often fail to perform well against mediocre or bad teams you'd expect them to bead. Case in point was the 2-1 loss to Romania.
My theory is that England are basically ignoring the importance of mental preparation. I don't know why this should be, it might be because of hidebound stupidity of those in the FA, it might be a cultural issue or I could be talking total shit. All I am saying that when a team consistently under-performs (and that doesn't mean I believe they should be regularly winning the world or European cup, it means qualifying for the knock out stage and being able to defeat the US and Algeria) then something systematic is the problem. It might not be psychological, it could be something to do with training, or a lack of time spent training as a team, or the players don't work hard enough or something. What I am pointing out and basically laughing at is the way an explaination for these problems is never sort. They just heap abuse on the players, fire the mananger and then do exactly the same thing next time.
And incidentally, suppose you're right and the players just aren't very good: why aren't they any good? What factors might effect how good a country is at a sport? Population, popularity of the sport, genetics, money, quality of coaching, retention, talent spotting. Football has more popularity and money than it knows what to do with, the population is a decent enough size. Assuming for a moment that there isn't a genetic predispoistion amongst Englishmen to be bad at football. That leaves the other factors, which are very much in the control of the FA. If we aren't producing good players suddenly, why not? Does the propensity of the Primier League to buy in foreign talent from countries better at producing players mean we end up ignoring and under developing native talent, to the detrement of the national side?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Hint: I don't make arguments based on a handful of matches.
That's not true. It stunts creativity, which the weaker teams wouldn't have much of anyway. As a result, both teams play on even ground, which means you're going to get close games between teams of different talent levels.
As for why England would have lesser talent than say Spain or Italy, I'd say it's because A) you tend to get more dedication to sport from people who live in poverty (since it's the only way out), and England doesn't have as much as Italy or Spain (and nowhere near as much as Brazil and Argentina), and B) you do have other sports for children to focus on (cricket, rugby, tennis). You also need fairly good infrastructure to develop talent, which is why you don't see too many top players from Africa or the poorer parts of Asia, but that's not really an issue for most of the top teams.
Hope is the denial of reality
Saw this elsewhere:
tsssssstUtterly abysmal performance. They were up against a team of dangleberries, a bunch of lazy deep sea fishermen, an atrociously bad keeper and a squad with the collective vision of the three blind mice. In the dark.
If they cant beat that stream of piss then I simply don't see Algeria making it to the next stage.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Also:
England vs USA, lego edition.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Thats a whole lotta hugging
England's travelling fans showed their displeasure with their team's efforts by booing them off the pitch at the end of their second group game.
Striker Wayne Rooney looked into a TV camera and said: "Nice to see your own fans booing you, that's what loyal support is".
Give us something to cheer about then numbnuts.
The 'can't handle the pressure of the night' theory holds some water.
England won every single one of their world cup qualifying matches except the last one (after they'd guaranteed their place), which is something no other team in Europe did. It was a similar story under Sven Goran Eriksson.
England consistently plays very well in qualifiers - the best in Europe.
There has to be some reason for this stage fright.
Netherlands 1 - 0 Japan.
Netherlands top the group and qualify for next round.
Yeah. and howNetherlands 1 - 0 Japan.
Netherlands top the group and qualify for next round.
At least they won.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
1) Nice dodge
2) Can't make any judgments about a world cup then, can you?
Man love!
Thats a whole lotta hugging
Denmark just scored a phenomenal goal.
And this
One? No, not really. You can make judgment about a team's performance in one World Cup, but that's hardly reflective of their long-term abilities.
Hope is the denial of reality
Then it's all horse shit, isn't it? Because while different countries have distinct styles, how can you compare teams over years, with different personnel, different stages in careers, different coaches, different venues and different health status?
"Who designed the defensive strategy tonight, Evel Knievel?" Gold
Steely made claims about England's history in the World Cup...It is slightly unreasonable to base conclusions on a sample of 1 in that instance, is it not?
Hope is the denial of reality
So thats why you ignored my point about markets in football; you were saving it for yourself to bring up later you sneaky little fucker.
Cheeky cat.
"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.
Eh, let's say there is a country on the other side of the Channel, which does manage - usually - to put decent teams on the field and still isn't filled with dedicated poor people.
I would venture to say that maybe it has got to do with class; football is a predominantly lower class sport in the UK, it's a little bit less so in Holland. That makes for different players. I mean, maybe it's me, but has anyone ever heard Beckham utter a full sentence?
Congratulations America
Yes, he sounds like a retarded mickey mouse.
Such is Life...
http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wor...urn=sow,249880
Don't think I've ever seen anything like this.
Hope is the denial of reality
The French are obviously starring in a heart warming sports film. They'll go on to overcome the differences and win in the final after a dramatic comeback.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
2nd yellow card to Kaka was ridiculous.
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