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    It's both funny and sad how the things he does that cause outrage are, for a position he has, actually almost the least harmful thing he does.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    I see the National Enquirer at the supermarket every week. And every week the front page story is an attack on one of Trump's enemies or a glowing story about Trump. It's pretty obvious who they're working for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I see the National Enquirer at the supermarket every week. And every week the front page story is an attack on one of Trump's enemies or a glowing story about Trump. It's pretty obvious who they're working for.
    The Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I see the National Enquirer at the supermarket every week. And every week the front page story is an attack on one of Trump's enemies or a glowing story about Trump. It's pretty obvious who they're working for.
    Enquirer published both the brain sponge and Cruz JFK association. Both of which Trump quoted on the campaign trail.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    The relationship with the Enquirer is not exactly new news. It came up during the campaign. And a free press means that we do occasionally get these "pet" publications and there's really nothing to be done about it.
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    At least Trumpites and the Tories are on the same page when it comes to the media's role.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...attacks-240139
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    Okay, in case anyone missed it: He's really gone off the deep end now.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...03147168071680
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    Only someone like Trump would post something like that to remind everyone he was on the receiving end of the world's sloppiest Stone Cold Stunner

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    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    ... in mid-May 80% of Trump voters told YouGov that they see criticism of Mr Trump as an attack on “people like me”.
    http://www.economist.com/news/specia...n-more-reliant
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    If that is the case, and I don't doubt it is, do you think the media should take a different take on reporting and, more importantly editorializing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    If that is the case, and I don't doubt it is, do you think the media should take a different take on reporting and, more importantly editorializing?
    What do you have in mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    What do you have in mind?
    Nothing I can really verbalize, just spitballing.
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    I think Trump and his supporters need to stop being snowflakes.
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    Seriously, there's nothing that could be done at this point. Most of the GOP is now the anti-anti-Trump party. They've been hardwired to hate anyone who goes against Trump. And that's hard to avoid when the guy is a narcissistic pathological liar. Do you want the media to not cover his constant mistakes?
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    Did I say that?
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    Then you kind of have to accept that the GOP (at least the 84% who still approve of Trump's job) is a lost cause. People like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc. have been poisoning the well for years. Now you have a majority of rank-and-file Republicans who loathe Paul Ryan for being insufficiently nasty and will support Trump to the bitter end. Criticism of Trump is treason. Showing up to his rallies is a rationale for being assaulted. Russia and Putin are great! Shari'a law is a serious threat! You can't fix this. And the handful of Republican intellectuals who think they can reclaim the party are deluding themselves. Look at their social media accounts, and all you see are Democrats calling them brave for standing up to Trump. That's to say they don't actually represent more than a handful of Republican voters. Were I one of those Republicans, I'd seriously consider forming a third party. It will have no chance of winning in the near future, but who knows what will happen a decade or two down the line? The GOP managed to displace the Whigs, even if it was a century and a half ago. The alternative is giving legitimacy to a toxic brand, one that they will forever be associated with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Then you kind of have to accept that the GOP (at least the 84% who still approve of Trump's job) is a lost cause. People like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc. have been poisoning the well for years. Now you have a majority of rank-and-file Republicans who loathe Paul Ryan for being insufficiently nasty and will support Trump to the bitter end. Criticism of Trump is treason. Showing up to his rallies is a rationale for being assaulted. Russia and Putin are great! Shari'a law is a serious threat! You can't fix this. And the handful of Republican intellectuals who think they can reclaim the party are deluding themselves. Look at their social media accounts, and all you see are Democrats calling them brave for standing up to Trump. That's to say they don't actually represent more than a handful of Republican voters. Were I one of those Republicans, I'd seriously consider forming a third party. It will have no chance of winning in the near future, but who knows what will happen a decade or two down the line? The GOP managed to displace the Whigs, even if it was a century and a half ago. The alternative is giving legitimacy to a toxic brand, one that they will forever be associated with.
    And the hyperbole continues. I find Trump rather embarrassing but its still better than the alternative if the Dems had power. Rolling back Frank/Dodd, tougher stance on immigration, tax reform (sigh... yes I know its not looking up), avoiding disastrous $15 minimum wage and a Supreme Court that actually looks at the constitution as something to follow as opposed to an obstacle are all reasons I want the GOP in power.

    Do I like Trump's stupidity on twitter? Nope.

    Do I like his inability to stay on message? Nope.

    Do I like the incompetence coming out of his White house? Nope.

    Frankly I'd love it if he would just say fuck it and retire and let Pence take over. But suggesting that the party of racism, wealth redistribution, crippling over-taxation and big government is superior to conservatives simply because Trump is an egomaniac? Nope. I support the GOP because of their positions not their personalities.

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    Again all I asked was should the media try a different angle...but okay!

    I didn't vote for President Twitter, relax, you don't need to convince me.
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    Do you care about one democratic norm after another being broken? Do you care about America undermining its relationship with the rest of the world? Do you care that the guy picking up the phone at 3 AM has no idea how to handle a crisis? You don't need to answer that. Supreme Court!

    Incidentally, thanks for making my point about Republicans poisoning the well for a really long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Do you care about one democratic norm after another being broken? Do you care about America undermining its relationship with the rest of the world? Do you care that the guy picking up the phone at 3 AM has no idea how to handle a crisis? You don't need to answer that. Supreme Court!

    Incidentally, thanks for making my point about Republicans poisoning the well for a really long time.
    'Democratic norm?' like what? Oh noes the president said something mean about a reporter. Really?

    As far as the relationship with the rest of the world I'm ambivalent about a lot of it. The rest of the world wants to Kyoto 2.0 and I'm meh about that. I do believe we should stand by our allies where appropriate (Poland, UK, Israel etc) but I also don't think we owe jack shit to most of the world. As far as handling of the crisis I actually don't think Trump will be like 'lol bomb them.' He, like every president is going to get a set of options and he'll pick one. The guy is a thin skinned egotistical twit not an absolute psychotic nihilist. I have trust that Mattis IS actually qualified for his role.

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    https://youtu.be/CF-Qqa_e7WM

    Seems CNN does not like being made fun of...and will dox you, or threaten to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    https://youtu.be/CF-Qqa_e7WM

    Seems CNN does not like being made fun of...and will dox you, or threaten to.
    LOL they keep that up it will only backfire.

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    They're getting attacked from all angles for that one (deservedly so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They're getting attacked from all angles for that one (deservedly so).
    Think CCN will double down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    Think CCN will double down?
    Depends how much heat they get. I.e. they're praying for some juicy Trump tweets about now.
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    Betcha anything it was a kid and this author is a childless guy who tried to take parenting tone, and failed horribly.

    One would hope that the shoe being on the other foot will finally help the message get through to the alt-right/nazis that currently control the_donald. The site admins had to crack down on them a while back because they were doxxing berkeley protestors. The Sandy Hook parents still get harassed to this day. And how many people has the conservative talk show circuit doxxed between people like gleen beck, alex jones and oreilly?

    Yeah, one would hope, but one should also know better.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    But suggesting that the party of racism, wealth redistribution, crippling over-taxation and big government is superior to conservatives simply because Trump is an egomaniac? Nope. I support the GOP because of their positions not their personalities.
    If the world has learned anything from Trump, GOP, and their supporters these past couple of years its that they are nonstop projectionists, and you are a bonified example of that. No matter how many times your stupidity gets pointed out.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post

    If the world has learned anything from Trump, GOP, and their supporters these past couple of years its that they are nonstop projectionists, and you are a bonified example of that. No matter how many times your stupidity gets pointed out.
    Racism: One party is for race based discrimination (affirmative action). There are plenty of other cases (such as the unbridled hate attacks on black conservatives - pretty sure every single national black republican has been called an uncle tom at one point or another).

    Wealth Redistribution: What do you think higher taxes for the rich and more social services and benefits for the poor are? Hell you probably are in support of it.

    Over taxation: Dems love higher taxes - be it on businesses, rich people, death taxes etc.

    Big Government: While some conservatives (Trump included) are certainly guilty of this as well, it is clear that it is the Democrats who are in favor of a whole host of things that are big government. Stricter environmentalist laws, more government regulation, more taxes, more impactful minimum wage, more money for education etc. How can anyone actually dispute that Dems are the party of big government?

    So tell me, what among these do you find me projecting? These are all issues that are important to me that I feel the Democratic party will do worse on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Racism: One party is for race based discrimination (affirmative action). There are plenty of other cases (such as the unbridled hate attacks on black conservatives - pretty sure every single national black republican has been called an uncle tom at one point or another).

    Wealth Redistribution: What do you think higher taxes for the rich and more social services and benefits for the poor are? Hell you probably are in support of it.

    Over taxation: Dems love higher taxes - be it on businesses, rich people, death taxes etc.

    Big Government: While some conservatives (Trump included) are certainly guilty of this as well, it is clear that it is the Democrats who are in favor of a whole host of things that are big government. Stricter environmentalist laws, more government regulation, more taxes, more impactful minimum wage, more money for education etc. How can anyone actually dispute that Dems are the party of big government?

    So tell me, what among these do you find me projecting? These are all issues that are important to me that I feel the Democratic party will do worse on.
    Are we still pretending that Trump - and by extension those who voted for him - actually care about any of those issues (other than racism, and for all the wrong reasons)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Are we still pretending that Trump - and by extension those who voted for him - actually care about any of those issues (other than racism, and for all the wrong reasons)?
    At the very least we get grid lock as opposed to the Democrats pushing through their agenda - which would be easily done if the GOP fractured into two parties. And there is still potential upside. While it sucks right now I've got some hope we can get some tax reform in and the teeth pulled from the CFPB. And since I'm a fan of cracking down illegal immigration and *that* at least is going to get some work for sure I've got some good silver linings.

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