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    Was certainly obvious to me. All news I read specifically mentioned this happened in December.

    And while you could make a point it's not so bad for a transitioning team to act like that it raises the big question: why did the transition team lie about it (to reporters, to the public, to investigators and potentially under oath)?
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    Today, I'm very glad Twitter hasn't banned Trump, and that nobody's told him he has the right to remain silent.

    And also, Steely... how 'bout her emails??
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    In emails obtained by the New York Times, transition advisor K.T. McFarland sought to coordinate with other members of the Trump transition team in the wake of sanctions intended to punish the Kremlin for interfering in the U.S. presidential election. “If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him."
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked...tion-for-trump
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    Yes, that's the one. Unfortunately reported out of context though
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    E-mails will doom us all.
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    Trumps lawyer is supposed to have authored the tweet where he incriminated himself some more.

    Obligatory:

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  7. #7
    I'm pretty sure at this point Trump can't incriminate himself because its obvious he makes shit up as he goes along.

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    Back on the topic of North Korea:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/03/asia/n...ntl/index.html

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  9. #9
    Officials think deterrence unlikely to work v a madman.
    Sentence could work for whichever sides officials you like.
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    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Sentence could work for whichever sides officials you like.
    True

    Others have argued that NK's leadership isn't as irrational as it's made out to be, but the key question is what US officials believe about their enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Sentence could work for whichever sides officials you like.
    A former American official visited North Korea recently and the main question he was asked was whether Trump is insane.
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    Honestly, I'd bet on Kim Jong Un to be the more rational actor here: he has a far higher chance of ending up dead or out of power as a result of any NK/US war. Trump will feel no consequences whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Honestly, I'd bet on Kim Jong Un to be the more rational actor here: he has a far higher chance of ending up dead or out of power as a result of any NK/US war. Trump will feel no consequences whatsoever.
    Then he should back down and fold.

    That also would make Trump's aggression to NK rational too.

    Isn't Game Theory interesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Then he should back down and fold.
    It may be he does not believe he can do this. Odds are he would lose is job (and his life and the lives, or at least privileges, of all his friends and family) as a home political backlash. But even if not, think about it, what does NK the nation and the leadership gain by backing down? They are likely convinced completely that the US and it's allies are bent on destroying NK as an independent nation and reuniting it with SK under SK rule. The most likely way this can be done to them is militarily, since sanctions and isolation do not apparently work, and having a viable nuclear capability protects them from that.

    On top of that, the protection they get from the nuclear deterrent gives them a freer hand to act. Whatever their longer term goals are - a more robust economy, reunification with SK under NK rule, greater power/ influence among their neighbors, who knows? - can be moved forward without worrying the US will smack them down.

    Why in the world would they stop their sprint to get a nuclear deterrent in place? Because the US might destroy them? Hell, they likely think the US plans to do that anyway, sooner or later, so why give up their one chance at security?
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    I guess now they know how they come across the outside world.
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    Would only make Trump rational if he does it on purpose rather than being a benefit, otherwise it's just a positive side effect
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    Exclusive: Trump lawyer claims the "President cannot obstruct justice"
    https://www.axios.com/exclusive-trum...514742663.html

    Which of you fuckers asked Santa for a constitutional crisis this year?
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  18. #18
    to add context and recap the weekend:

    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  19. #19
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  20. #20
    Manafort in trouble for ghostwriting a shady editorial together with a shady Russian intelligence guy.

    And just a few hours later, McFarland's in trouble for lying to congress:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/0...testimony.html

    More or less.
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  21. #21
    Questions about that incriminating Tweet: would a lawyer have used the word "pled" (instead of pleaded)?

    And if his lawyer lied about writing (or 'dictating') the president's Tweet, who gets *investigated* and possibly indicted/prosecuted, and for what crime?

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    Spokeswoman for Moore has presented one of the best defenses so far for the judge: "We need to make it clear that there's a group of NON-accusers."

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Questions about that incriminating Tweet: would a lawyer have used the word "pled" (instead of pleaded)?
    Not entirely unheard of to say "pled" in the US, even among lawyers, and Dowd has said it previously.

    And if his lawyer lied about writing (or 'dictating') the president's Tweet, who gets *investigated* and possibly indicted/prosecuted, and for what crime?
    The consensus appears to be that they've waived privilege at least when it comes to that tweet.
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  23. #23
    Trump's personal banking information handed over to Robert Mueller
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...robert-mueller


    Looks like we're going to miss his usual morning twitter meltdown. Wonder who had to hide his phone this time.
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  24. #24
    https://np.reddit.com/r/RussiaLago/c...ained/dqsy1kt/

    If a random on the internet can put the pieces together like this, picture the case Mueller is building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    https://np.reddit.com/r/RussiaLago/c...ained/dqsy1kt/

    If a random on the internet can put the pieces together like this, picture the case Mueller is building.
    But what does Mueller do with it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the President is untouchable with this Congress and he can pardon anyone Mueller charges.
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  26. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    But what does Mueller do with it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the President is untouchable with this Congress and he can pardon anyone Mueller charges.
    Mueller can do his job.

    If the President tries to pervert the course of justice by sacking or pardoning people then that only puts the President in hotter and hotter water. Even if he has that right, it puts him under immense pressure.
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  27. #27
    Honestly, this is not the man to give a shit about that. You are thinking normally, but he is not normal.
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  28. #28
    But his party Senators are.

    Many GOP Senators openly hate Trump but they can't politically do anything currently. Many more I imagine secretly despise him. If Mueller can find a smoking gun it could give them the cover they need to impeach or threaten impeachment. Especially if the GOP has terrible mid-terms then there will be many in Congress due for re-election in 2020 who will consider whether they really want to be tying their own career with someone disgraced and for whom Mueller has given sufficient grounds to replace Trump with Pence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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  29. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    tying their own career with someone disgraced
    Just a side note. This made me smile. Trump is a already a disgrace as a President and a human being (and probably any number of other categories like husband, father, lover, businessman, friend, etc etc).
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  30. #30
    Now that their tax plan is passed I suspect you will see more come out against him (we just had one republican senator publicly donate to Moore's opponent). Its going to get pretty bad for him leading up to the '18 elections. We can only hope that the wave is strong enough to sweep him out of office. News yesterday included reports of him trying/wanting to set up a blackwater spy network that reports directly to him, so he is already acting paranoid about the "deep state".

    You'd be a fool to think Pence's hands aren't dirty in this as well. Flynn is tied like a noose around him.
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