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    Rebels win, ~20 rebels I'm guessing.

    Don't let door hit you on the way out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Rebels win, ~20 rebels I'm guessing.

    Don't let door hit you on the way out.
    What right to govern does a PM without the consent of a majority?
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    What right to govern does a PM without the consent of a majority?
    Inertia.

    Like there must always be a monarch, there must always be a government. We aren't Belgium. Even when Parliament is dissolved and we have zero MPs we still have a government. The government remains the government until there is a new government able to replace it. Same as in 1979 and 2010
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    328 - 301. Next up: will Parliament let BJ call an election?
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    There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
    And he decides who to free and who to blame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unheard Of View Post
    He persuaded all but 21 [22 including Lee] of his MPs, those 21 have been expelled. If there's a General Election and the Tories are returned with a majority those 21 won't be a part of that majority and won't be able to stymie him.

    Incidentally we lost fewer MPs last night than we did through May's hubris. We lost 28 MPs at the last General Election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If there's a General Election and the Tories are returned with a majority those 21 won't be a part of that majority and won't be able to stymie him.
    If
    Incidentally we lost fewer MPs last night than we did through May's hubris. We lost 28 MPs at the last General Election.
    You've lost 22 MPs in one day, without even needing to trouble the voters. Let's see what happens next time a PM rolls the dice.

    Who knows where this chart will go in the next few weeks?

    EDIT: For the sake of clarity, I don't expect it to go anywhere good. This country is fucked.
    Last edited by Unheard Of; 09-04-2019 at 10:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unheard Of View Post
    If
    Yes, if.

    Does anyone disagree that this Parliament is patently incapable of reaching a decision? Even when they took control with the indicative votes they rejected every option.
    You've lost 22 MPs in one day, without even needing to trouble the voters. Let's see what happens next time a PM rolls the dice.

    Who knows where this chart will go in the next few weeks?

    EDIT: For the sake of clarity, I don't expect it to go anywhere good. This country is fucked.
    Fine by me for them to go. Let more join them if need be.

    That chart is reassuring. I'm very pleased with that chart and I hope the trend continues. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Conservatives touch 40% soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Does anyone disagree that this Parliament is patently incapable of reaching a decision? Even when they took control with the indicative votes they rejected every option.
    When asked a series of yes/no questions this parliament is incapable of reaching a decision. The only way to get a clear answer is a ranked preference vote (deal, no deal, withdraw article 50). I don't know if it's possible for parliament to use this voting structure. It seems unlikely that another election will resolve the fundamental problem, but obviously it is theoretically possible that the UK will elect enough MPs that support a single viable option.
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    Labour's position is that they will support a new GE only after legislation to block no deal.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
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    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    ... in our planning for moving our Euro-clearings operation from London to Paris ... my boss originally said to me not to worry too much, with all the shambles and disagreements Brexit will never happen.

    I'm starting to wonder if he was right
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    The problem Boris has in the election is that Farrage is going to split the Brexiter vote unless Boris comes out explicitly for a hard Brexit, which will alienate remainer Tories or conditional Leavers. The other problem he has is that he's Boris Johnson and he has a pronounced tendency to chat a load of incoherant shit (but also on his good days he's charismatic and does well with voters).

    The problem Corbyn has is his voter base is split between remain and leave, and also he'll need to have a position at least somewhat palatable to the Lib Dems because he a) doesn't want to lose Remainers to them and b) might need them to form a government.

    I think there's everything to play for in the election. I wouldn't even start to try and predict what will happen.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    The problem Boris has in the election is that Farrage is going to split the Brexiter vote unless Boris comes out explicitly for a hard Brexit, which will alienate remainer Tories or conditional Leavers. The other problem he has is that he's Boris Johnson and he has a pronounced tendency to chat a load of incoherant shit (but also on his good days he's charismatic and does well with voters).

    The problem Corbyn has is his voter base is split between remain and leave, and also he'll need to have a position at least somewhat palatable to the Lib Dems because he a) doesn't want to lose Remainers to them and b) might need them to form a government.

    I think there's everything to play for in the election. I wouldn't even start to try and predict what will happen.
    I think Farage's fox is well and truly shot twice over. Boris unlike May was a leaver and was the face of Vote Leave and the famous bus etc. Secondly by expelling the likes of Ken Clarke, Grieve, Soames etc he has been unequivocally clear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    So Boris says he doesn't want an election but clearly does.
    Corbyn won't stop saying he wants an election, but is voting against one.
    Court has ruled proroguation is legal.

    In an ironic twist the interesting development tonight is the Lords could kill the Benn bill. The Lords have no tradition of curtailing debates so Labour and the Lib Dems were worried the Tories could filibuster the bill and have put down a motion to curtail the debate. The Tories have put down 86 amendments that each need 2 hours of debate and a vote. The Lords is going to run 24/7 it looks like but if the Tories filibuster until Monday then Parliament can be prorogued and there'd be no bill, no extension and no election.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    Now some Labour MPs are after another vote on May's deal, because why not.
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    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Bizarre skullduggery.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Bizarre skullduggery.
    Shut up, this is brilliant writing. A top notch third act twist.
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    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    What fresh cuntery is this?
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  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Unheard Of View Post
    What fresh cuntery is this?
    Not no deal but not immediately no brexit.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Not no deal but not immediately no brexit.
    I found the missing "no" tellers. Apparently Aimless is hoarding all the negative expression forms.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I found the missing "no" tellers. Apparently Aimless is hoarding all the negative expression forms.
    Nice try, but I'm not telling
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    And Corbyn too chicken to have an election. Nevermind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    bro bro
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    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    They do. It’s not written down in a single document and it can only function if everybody involves is displaying some common decency. But with a habitual liar and opportunist in charge and Brexiteers not caring what they break on the way out like they are the bloody Bullingdon club it is made clear that it’s actually quite useless. It doesn’t hold power accountable, there are no checks or balances and no matter what batshit crazy thing they come up with they do. Brexit is breaking down quite a different union than the EU.
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    The UK is a parliamentary (which is to say a representative) democracy. As such, Parliament is a relatively small body. Small enough that it does not (or should not) NEED to do something like ranked preference voting to make these kinds of decisions, it just needs the members to talk and negotiate amongst themselves. The fact that they can't reach a decision with a series of yes/no decisions despite that capability tells me that any kind of ranked preference vote isn't going to be any better as a means of making policy than defaulting to a time-limit execution even if you can generate a majority position from it with sufficient statistical massaging. It certainly wouldn't have any more of a mandate, since the voting public which elected the current crop of deadlocked MPs did not make their choices with a similar method or intent
    Meanwhile, Rand appears to have a lot of confidence in UK's *political processes* -- even tho that seems to be falling apart.

    Governing by referendum (or ranked-preference) only sounds like a good idea after the political processes have already broken down. That's what makes Brexit and the Leavers so confusing: their biggest problems are internal, their process remains the same, and leaving the EU doesn't change that.

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    November 2021 😬
    Congratulations America

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    Revoke the 1972 Act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Revoke the 1972 Act.
    It's more likely that the speaker will stop the clock.

    Does the UK actually have a government any longer anyway? The buffoon hasn't won a single vote since he was launched by the blue wash brigade brexitards.
    Congratulations America

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