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  1. #1
    Looks like American conservatism is alive and well:



    This is worse than the Willie Horton ad. These people are shitheads.
    Last edited by Aimless; 08-18-2020 at 12:03 AM.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Looks like American conservatism is alive and well:

    Broken link.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  3. #3
    Conservatives really love that ol' constitution eh

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  4. #4
    Good article on why conservatives should back Biden: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...?smid=tw-share

    I do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  5. #5
    Those reader comments were interesting, too. Here's another NYT op-ed about "conservatism": https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/o...sultPosition=3. (Read those comments, too.)

    Most actual Republican politicians rejected all of this. They stuck, mostly through dumb inertia, to an anti-government zombie Reaganism long after Reagan was dead and even though the nation’s problems were utterly different from what they were when he was alive. Year after year, G.O.P. politicians clung to a dead paradigm, ran the same anti-Washington campaigns and had no positive governing philosophy once they got there.


    Steve Bannon’s leap finally did what none of us could do. Donald Trump and Bannon took a low-rent strand of conservatism — class-based ethnic nationalism — that had always been locked away in the basement of the American right, and overturned the Reagan paradigm.

  6. #6
    Hope is the denial of reality

  7. #7
    Not your usual insanity but a GOP Senator suggests her supporters skip a meal and give the money to her campaign instead . . .
    https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/sta...99928133308416
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  8. #8
    Good read about a party too dumb to govern: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ontent/615607/
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Good read about a party too dumb to govern: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ontent/615607/
    You and Lowery have a hard time reading between the lines. The Party agenda is there. Quietly kill off poor people and make rich people richer.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    You and Lowery have a hard time reading between the lines. The Party agenda is there. Quietly kill off poor people and make rich people richer.
    They're too dumb to govern. The party is not interested in and has no skill with governance. That doesn't mean they can't further their agenda by other means.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  11. #11
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  12. #12
    All of them? Or just the ones you follow on social media?
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    All of them? Or just the ones you follow on social media?
    Almost all of them, statistically speaking
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  14. #14
    No not almost all of them statistically speaking. And Twitter is full of Tw@ts at the best of times.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  15. #15
    Speaker at RNC promoting overt and absolutely batshit insane antisemitism:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  16. #16
    This is a new low even for these scumbags:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  17. #17
    Scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  18. #18
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  19. #19
    I wonder what it is about the draft-dodging Commander In Chief who calls dead veterans suckers and losers, prioritises his own hair over a cemetary visit, insults POWs for being captured and turns a blind eye to Putin putting bounties on the lives of US soldiers that has led the military to support Biden?

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...ote-for-biden/



    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  20. #20
    The answer to this thread's question is yes. Yes, American conservativism can survive and it can do so by voting Democrat. Increasing number of Republicans saying this now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The answer to this thread's question is yes. Yes, American conservativism can survive and it can do so by voting Democrat. Increasing number of Republicans saying this now.
    Is that like using Socialism to save Capitalism? Sorry, but American conservatism lost its way decades ago, and won't find its way back just by voting for Democrats. Republicans gave up on 'principles' and ruined their own party when they nominated Trump in 2016.

    edit: even earlier, when Palin was the (R) VP candidate, and before that with Bush or Cheney.

    They (Republicans) can't continue to support the Trump agenda in public, but secretly vote for Biden....as a way to save "conservatism".
    Last edited by GGT; 09-04-2020 at 12:43 AM.

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Is that like using Socialism to save Capitalism? Sorry, but American conservatism lost its way decades ago, and won't find its way back just by voting for Democrats. Republicans gave up on 'principles' and ruined their own party when they nominated Trump in 2016.

    edit: even earlier, when Palin was the (R) VP candidate, and before that with Bush or Cheney.

    They (Republicans) can't continue to support the Trump agenda in public, but secretly vote for Biden....as a way to save "conservatism".
    Did you read the article? Or even the Tweet?

    How are Republicans who are saying that Trump is unacceptable so vote Biden "supporting the Trump agenda"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Did you read the article? Or even the Tweet?

    How are Republicans who are saying that Trump is unacceptable so vote Biden "supporting the Trump agenda"?
    Never Trump But Everything That Gave Us Trumpism
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  24. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The answer to this thread's question is yes. Yes, American conservativism can survive and it can do so by voting Democrat. Increasing number of Republicans saying this now.

    This paints a picture of a fringe with no political clout or electoral viability. Nor does it seem to have any cultural power.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  25. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  26. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Think he asked that about WWI
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Stay away from Mensch. She's a combination of grifter and nutjob.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  28. #28
    I'm saying that it's too late for Republicans to save their "conservative" principles, or their party, at this late date. They should have done that years ago. They should have at least refused to support Trump as their nominee, and collectively rebuked him (like Republicans did with the Birch Society during the Goldwater era).

    I'm saying that if the GOP *really* wanted to reclaim their credibility, all the so-called Republicans working in the Trump administration should resign. Including his entire cabinet, from Barr to Pompeo. It's not enough that "acting" secretaries quit or get fired, just to be replaced by new Trumpistas. And all the previous actors (like Mattis and Kelly) need to make their complaints public. Not just wait for their book to come out, like Bolton did.

    Unless and until the entire RNC divorces itself from Trump, it continues to be the Party of Trump.

  29. #29
    A fringe that should be encouraged and applauded for doing the right thing. A fringe that will hopefully take back over if Trump is humiliated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    A fringe that should be encouraged and applauded for doing the right thing. A fringe that will hopefully take back over if Trump is humiliated.
    You say they'll "take back over" as if principled conservatism was usurped with Trump, when it's been in the back seat for the better part of two decades.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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