I guess he's a good ally to have then.
I guess he's a good ally to have then.
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Yeah, he really does sound like a sensible man
It's tragic. Not surprising, but tragic nevertheless.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Not as tragic as believers in medieval bullshit bringing their pre-Reformation religious violence into 21st century Europe.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Yeah, that's what all Muslims do. Must be why there have been a million terror attacks in Germany this year. And of course non-Muslims don't do bad things.
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When minority groups are suffering discrimination or oppression, the thing to do is to quibble about terminology. This is definitely not a deflection tactic or anything like that.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
More tragic.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Who said all Muslims are doing that? Unless you believe that all Christians "send their kids to special camps to have their gayness-inducing demons exorcized" or seriously say that "Satan buried dinosaur bones to make it look like the earth is more than 6000 years old" and if you don't why are you only asking that to me? I never said all Muslims do that.
You think a politician determining their immigration policy is more tragic than children and adults being murdered and decapitated by religious zealots?
I disagree.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Why wouldn't you vote for not allowing people adhering to a nasty medieval religion in?
Congratulations America
So, when do you start banning Judism and Christianism? After all, that bullshit is even older than Islam...
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
No, no, that'll just get him started on some dumb tangent about enlightenment and Reformation. The important thing is to remember that when you say you won't let in even a single Muslim you're being an asshole. Possibly a medieval asshole, possibly a modern one, but an asshole nonetheless. Or a "sensible man", as some people call assholes these days
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Just to be clear, are you arguing that because someone says or does something asshole-ish, they can't ever be or say something sensible? Do you need to be aware of the entirety of someone's beliefs and opinions on all subjects before you can agree with them about anything?
More to the point, how sensible is it to have a man with such backwards views hold a leadership position in the EU?
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As RB is so fond of reminding us, even a broken clock can under some circumstances be right twice a day. I'm just impressed by RB's gift for finding and using broken clocks and am curious to see what it will take for him recognize a clock as being broken.
I don't know whether or not the EU's rules will permit any significant punishment of this asshole. Also not sure to what extent he'll be able to shape EU policy in his fucked up image. But while it may not be ideal to have an assclown as president for six months, I think it may be sensible to let each member state have a go at that job.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
http://m.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36604675
These are the medieval extremists Rand is content to see banned from Europe on the grounds of their religion. And before Rand finds a new excuse for his newfound brownophobia, there are far more refugees like this family than there are of the terrorist variety.
By the way Rand, how many Europeans has ISIS killed and how many British civilians have been killed by the IRA? Time to ban the Irish, right?
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Rand called him a sensible man. He didn't say Fico was right only on the cited issue.
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I don't want to ban Islam, so why would I want to ban Judaism or Christianity?
I'll happily argue against their medieval bullshit. Especially if someone believes in pre-Reformation bullshit.
Enlightenment and the Reformation are not dumb and are quite significant. As for being an asshole, yes it is possible to be an asshole. I called him a sensible man for what he said regarding Brexit, not some irrelevant tangent about some medieval bullshit that wasn't even part of the conversation
Absolutely! The delicious irony is that Aimless seems to think that this man has such abhorrent views on his medieval bullshit that I can't agree with him on something politically and totally unrelated; while simultaneously believing that we should be sacrificing our political sovereignty to allow people like this to be writing our laws against our will and without a veto. I'm not entirely sure how to reconcile this cognitive dissonance.
Maybe we should take a leaf from Lewis Carrol and Aimless is really from Wonderland?“Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said. 'One can't believe impossible things.'
I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There goes the shawl again!”Alternatively it may be sensible to run our own nation. Innovative idea that to you maybe.
I never said we should ban people from Europe on the grounds of their religion. I said that those leaders who do want to ban people from their nation (not that I agree with it) are not as bad as medieval zealots killing people in the name of Allah. There's a difference, if you're not able to figure out the difference maybe I can try using smaller words you may understand.
In response to a quote.
If Fico is not a sensible man, he should have no role to play in writing our laws. You can't win here.
Surely you realize that is shorthand for, that thing I quoted that this person said is something I can agree with. It's hard to believe that you are debating in good faith when you are trying so hard to tar Rand at the expense of rational thought.
Unfortunately for your argument, Rand still insists the Muslim ban is no big deal.
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Bullshit. Rand insists the Muslim ban is not as bad as an even worse alternative.
Saying there is a difference between racism and religious discrimination isn't supporting a ban. Saying that governments should be in charge of their own immigration policies isn't supporting a ban. Agreeing with someone on a completely separate topic isn't supporting a ban. Why don't you show me where he supported a ban.I don't want to ban Islam, so why would I want to ban Judaism or Christianity?
See above for implicit support of a ban on the basis that it's better than the alter. If that's not what he's trying to say, maybe he should be more clear.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Couldn't have been clearer that I oppose a ban. Even used that exact word. On the other hand YOU said that supporting a ban is "more tragic" than "children and adults being murdered and decapitated by religious zealots" or "believers in medieval bullshit bringing their pre-Reformation religious violence into 21st century Europe."
On the tragedy scale murdering people is worse than saying don't come into my country.
If you want to stand by your claim that restricting immigration is more tragic then you're not serious I can assume.
No, I am serious. Blanket ban based on religion is more tragic than the amount of tragedy that would be caused in Slovakia by accidentally letting in a few terrorists. Of course, being sentenced to a life in Slovakia would be a tragedy as well
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
So, does he also support a ban on US-Americans? After all, those guys are still bombing and murdering doctors of abortion clinics, have mass-shootings on a regular basis and try to ban evolution.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
If we just ban young men with a sense of grievance, but no empathy or self-control, of whatever race or creed, that would cover all bases, I think.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Rwanda arrested most strong young men after the genocide there. Crime rates plummeted.
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I imagine the murder rate in particular plummeted.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
And the genocide rate.
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I think being murdered is a worse tragedy than being told to go somewhere other than Slovakia.No, I am serious. Blanket ban based on religion is more tragic than the amount of tragedy that would be caused in Slovakia by accidentally letting in a few terrorists. Of course, being sentenced to a life in Slovakia would be a tragedy as well
One has to wonder if the British government is going to honor pension obligations wrt British EC personel. Of course the British government is right in saying that they technically are the responsibility of the EU, but that ignores the fact that the EU can only enter into that kind of obligation on the basis of budgets set by the memberstates, of which the UK was one when the pension system was set up.
Congratulations America
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