Reuters and Bloomberg reporting a trade deal is imminent.
Sorry Hazir. I'm sure you'll find a way to cope.
Reuters and Bloomberg reporting a trade deal is imminent.
Sorry Hazir. I'm sure you'll find a way to cope.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
I will, but will you?
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Absolutely. I wanted a good deal.
Positive signs! I think my prediction will be spot on.
Suck it, losers.
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yeh, I got it wrong.
Did not think they would ever agree on a deal.
Well, given my level of trust of Johnson and his desperate need to make everything about Brexit a win - I've thought he's been stringing this out for two reasons. The first is to bypass parliament. Fuck democracy. The second is to make it look like he's a real fighter and he's real nailed the EU with his strong negotiation tactics.
I'm happy to be proved wrong once we see the detail, but assuming we've compromised on things, I'll bet they are things we were going to compromise on anyway months ago but it's to his own personal advantage to leave this as late as possible.
Because, fuck business.
The scorecard reads like Barr's Mueller report "summary". Hopefully actual analysis is forthcoming.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Nothing to do with business just how things work.
The question isn't what we have compromised on, you're looking at that backwards. A compromise always involves movement from both sides.
The question is whether the EUs compromises could have been extracted months ago or not?
Also don't forget there were 29 parties involved in this compromise. Not only have the UK been negotiating with the EU but the EU has been negotiating with its 27 member states. Especially for instance on the thorny issue of fishing where it isn't just being decided how much more quota that the UK gains from the EU - but also how much each of the EU nations lose. So for instance Macron hasn't just been pushing to lose as little as possible to Britain, but to try and ensure that the losses are shouldered by the Irish etc and vice versa for other leaders.
Dude, you yourself could have had a deal years ago. Don't try to paint your side as coming up smelling of roses here. Country led by liars, as it is.
Let's see how big your country will be in a decade. Scotland still won't be happy, NI will remain a thorny issue and Wales might just secede as well.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The deal is done.
Tony Blair had his Good Friday Agreement.
Four and a half years after the referendum Boris Johnson has the Christmas Eve Brexit Deal.
It's actually not done yet. It's also not a good deal. We'll have to see how bad it is
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Oh come on. It's Christmas, where is your Festive cheer?
4.5 years after the Brexit referendum ...
Just under 20 years since we started debating whether Britain should join the Euro ...
... It's over. We are out with a deal.
Oh, this time you gave us Gibraltar?
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...nd-backed-down
Tis the season to be jolly . . .
I'm really happy we have a free trade deal with the EU.
The simple, basic, bare expectations have been achieved. I hope we can now begin to realise the benefits of Brexit. So far I've still not seen anything that demonstrates any real plus, but appreciate it's early days. Pressure should now be on our government to deliver tangible benefits to the British people. I expect and want my living standards and wealth to improve.
Hoping for a very different and prosperous 2021.
I have some doubts about the deal; those doubts are linked to the fact that the negotiations were under too much pressure and I think the Commission was too eager to end up with a deal. That makes me think that this deal isn't likely the best deal for us to be had. On the other hand, the deal excludes services, which is where the UK has a surplus. That effectively means that too much de-regulation on their side can be dealt with unilaterally. All in all I am not against ratification of this agreement.
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The Erasmus thing was quite sad, petty and disgusting.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Not really. The EU overplayed their hand and upped the price of Erasmus asking for us to play well over the odds, so the UK is doing a new Turing scheme to replace it.
No big deal.
Even a parochial and isolationist little-Englander like you must understand what a blow it is to UK universities to obstruct their access to foreign students. And, after recent experiences with the British govt trying to reinvent the wheel eg. with their "world beating" track and trace app, believing this latest attempt to reinvent the wheel will be much better its kind of naive. The reason for their withdrawal from Erasmus is xenophobia born out of isolationism, plain and simple. Their goal is sharply reduce the number of foreign students in the UK, for very pathetic political reasons.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Not to mention the fact that in the future we'll no longer see droves of EU officials who had an education in the United Kingdom.
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Granted, but I'm more concerned with the downsides of this Trumpian policy.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
PMSL you think there'll be an.absence of foreign students in UK universities? That's cute.
It doesn't take Erasmus to get students into our universities. Having world class universities is an appeal enough.
The reason being given for withdrawal from Erasmus is that Barnier was negotiating for the UK to pay triple the cost. No more, no less.
Interestingly enough the new agreement gives EU citizens with qualifications a preferential position on parts of the British jobmarket; a British company that trades with the EU would be inclined to hire people with an EU passport rather than a British passport holder. For the simple reason that the EU passport holder would be able to work in all states inside the EEA whereas a Brit could only work in the country for which he has a visa/workpermit. Try to imagine a company building jet engines, including a service contract for said engines. It's a very successful company selling their engines to countries all over the EU. Then try to imagine how this company would like to plan service in any of those countries. If they would do the planning for an EU passport holder (for whom they had to jump through some hoops in the UK, but only once) they'd simply plan his dates and off he goes. For the UK passport holder planning would include setting the dates, then start a visa application for every single country in the EEA where he'd need to work according to the schedule. And then of course the risk of some consulates being less than efficient so planned work can not be carried out because of a lacking permit to do so.
Same would be true for people in jobs that regularly need them to work in the EEA, the EU passport holder would be the more obvious choice every single time.
One has to wonder if those people would be interested in the low skilled jobs that can't be filled with unskilled EU workers in the UK any longer because ms Patel is making it difficult and expensive for them to pick your fruits and harvest your vegetables.
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What I think is that this risks limiting the pool to a much smaller and much less diverse group of students. Suspect many people at British unis who are involved with the exchange programmes—and benefit from the access to talent that they enable—agree.
Sure, this is the "WTO rules are great!" take on free trade. It doesn't "take" Erasmus to get students, but Erasmus has been hugely beneficial to your universities' exchanges with other countries. Replacing it will take a great deal of time, effort, money, and basic competence—reinventing the wheel over and over again. There is a great risk that you'll end up with something far less egalitarian, and therefore also far less diverse.It doesn't take Erasmus to get students into our universities.
This is nonsense. The UK has over a hundred universities, only a small number of which are "world class" to the extent that sudden and substantial administrative & financial obstacles can be regarded as irrelevant. Just as obstacles to trade negatively impact trade, obstacles to student exchange negatively impact student exchange. To believe that transaction costs have no impact on transactions is, plainly speaking, loony.Having world class universities is an appeal enough.
A more informed and less Little-Englandy perspective can be found here:
https://westcountrybylines.co.uk/the...ss-of-erasmus/
Strongly suspect this claim is untrue or at least deeply misleading. If you have a source with clear and verifiable details, feel free to share. My guess is the UK wanted to cherry-pick and was denied.The reason being given for withdrawal from Erasmus is that Barnier was negotiating for the UK to pay triple the cost. No more, no less.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
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The Commission have approved the deal ignoring and overriding the deadline the EP had set. As I predicted.
Meanwhile the UK Parliament will vote on Wednesday and has the ability to reject the deal if it wants to do so before it is applied, unlike the EP.
Provisional application to bridge the gap to ratification by EP (next year) can be assented to—either fully or with exceptions for specific areas—by the Council of Ministers, which is a different body from the Commission. The EP can choose to reject the deal before having had a chance to read and debate it, but I suspect it has no interest in doing something so stupid. Genuinely weird to brag about the govt. forcing Parliament to vote on a hugely important deal it won't have time to scrutinize and debate, but I guess we already knew from previous episodes that you don't value parliamentary scrutiny.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If Parliament chooses to implement the deal that is their choice.
Parliament can also choose to terminate the deal. There is a 12 month exit clause in this deal, unlike May's backstop, so there's no reason not to vote it through and then deal with any issues down the road.
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