This is the type of shit that gets encouraged when you call pandemics hoaxes
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...y/2355727/?amp
This is the type of shit that gets encouraged when you call pandemics hoaxes
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...y/2355727/?amp
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
It's clear that association with Fox rots the brain:
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These people are just the worst. They are also the dumbest.
Last edited by Aimless; 04-02-2020 at 07:39 AM.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Well, even Swedes are taking risks that can't be blamed on Fox News.
Sorry, I was referring to the thread and Hume's endorsement of it, not to the tweet. Updated my post.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
And I was saying that even you (a physician) can't convince your mother to change her behavior, even tho it puts her in an (even) higher risk group. Fox News has nothing to do with that...
I think you have misunderstood my mother's attitude towards this, and therefore drawn a parallel that isn't informative. My mother is not reckless, any more than any other person her age willing to work with sick patients during a pandemic that puts them at high risk of harm, or any other person who has nobody to help them where they live. It's not irrational to want to work with sick people even if it puts you at higher risk of harm.Originally Posted by GGT
However, that has nothing to do with the thread I posted about. The thread calls into question NYC's reported numbers of covid19 deaths on the basis of, well, a stupid and ignorant analysis. Hume, a popular Fox contributor, endorsed this stupid and ignorant analysis, unfairly undermining solidarity with NYC when the city needs solidarity more than ever.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
But you agree that it's not wise to travel 2-3 hours on public transportation, because that poses a greater risk for anyone, especially for senior citizens, and if your country's policies aren't grounded in scientific models around social distancing, it's an ever greater risk. Right? Otherwise you wouldn't worry.
I'm not criticizing your mother's humanitarian instincts. She sounds like a jewel. The only thing that's irrational -- or reckless -- are policies that don't protect people like her (or you, for that matter) and it sounds like Sweden hasn't done a better job at that than the US.
Developed nations have failed miserably during this covid-19 crisis, but it can't *all* be blamed on Fox News, or even Trump. Those are just symptoms of larger, systemic, global problems that have been festering for decades, even generations.
This is good: https://medium.com/@noahhaber/flatte...y-9aa8cf92d652
The irony of you posting this so soon after your asinine take on "suppression"... can't help but wonder if you've even read it.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
No point going round in circles again but my take on suppression was based upon the government and media's definition of containment v suppression v mitigation.
The report you quoted gave suppression or mitigation as the only options and not containment. What you defined as suppression I'd define as containment and if we're talking cross-purposes with different definitions then that's the issue with the English language, words can mean multiple things.
Related posts but yes I don't trust the Civil Service, especially the Home Office - and I don't regardless of politics. I am not a partisan hack and don't believe in "my party right or wrong" - I quite consistently opposed the party I'd normally support last year because it was going against what I believe in.
There are always some who believe 'why let a good crisis go to waste' - even to the disgusting point of on the day of 9/11 a then government advisor said it was "a good day to bury bad news". A lot of powers that I would 100% oppose in normal circumstances have been taken and given to the Police - many in the Police and the Home Office etc will want some of those powers to remain after this pandemic is history.
Under no circumstances can that be permitted. The law has been changed more than just to have a lockdown - and all of that must be tracked and reversed afterwards.
haha, it's so fun to make our failures funny, but the timing is off
Freeeedom! *cough*
Freedom matters.
What powers are you concerned might be retained, exactly?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
For a start: It has been made illegal to refuse to co-operate with the Police or to refuse to answer a Police officers questions or to refuse to follow an officers instructions.
Do you see see any concerns with that if any element of that was kept post-coronavirus?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Action now would be later than ideal but is never too late. The US is much bigger than the European nations so per capita its not so bad - yet - and the USA has many major structural advantages over Europe that means it should spread less than in Europe, but inaction means it will probably spread more in the end.
If you're arguing that you and your govt. were not using the definitions employed by the scientists that were supposed to be guiding your policy, that's not really all that reassuring. This is not simply a matter of terminology but of what each term entails; you could call them absolute nonsense-words from the Teletubbies if you like, but the govt's strategy was one that matches the definition (in this context) of mitigation rather than the definition of suppression, and one of the people guiding the govt's policy clarified that the intent was indeed to aim for (inappropriately termed) herd immunity.
On page 10 of the report, you will find the estimated impact of (belatedly) implementing a strategy of containment in the UK. Containment is not as distinct from suppression as suppression is from mitigation.The report you quoted gave suppression or mitigation as the only options and not containment.
We're talking about different things here. Most people in large European cities use public transportation to get to work. That's not a flaw. Many people have long commutes; that's just life. While I would indeed prefer for my mother to not work - to retire, let me cover her expenses, and, in a pandemic-free world, just enjoy herself and travel to dozens of countries, etc - I can no more compel her to do that than she can compel me to not work. It's not about rationality or heroism.
I am deeply disappointed with Sweden's approach to managing the pandemic itself, but Sweden - like most developed nations - has done a better job than the US in every other respect, for example wrt swiftly shoring up (already strong) support for businesses and workers eg. by massively expanding govt. funding of paid sick-leave. Many developed nations swiftly announced economic support packages to shore up protections that were already stronger than what regular people have in the US. We can all learn from one another, but, wrt the pandemic, the US has nothing to teach atm - apart from the dangers of letting racism and resentment seduce you into electing an utterly incompetent malevolent shitstain for a leader, obv.and it sounds like Sweden hasn't done a better job at that than the US.
I was just criticizing Hume for his decision to abuse the trust he enjoys by endorsing a repugnant and stupid conspiracy theory whose purpose is to undermine support for NY. That's all. Hume is an idiot, and his particular brand of idiocy has, I think, been shaped by his affiliation with Fox.Developed nations have failed miserably during this covid-19 crisis, but it can't *all* be blamed on Fox News, or even Trump. Those are just symptoms of larger, systemic, global problems that have been festering for decades, even generations.
In more positive news, my hospital's policies have changed. We are now much more liberal with testing both patients and staff. Our main ward used to be a hematology ward so we can easily isolate patients (one bed per room) and fairly quickly find out whether or not they're infected. Guidance on PPE, routines, recs for monitoring etc. slowly catching up to rest of the world. They've expanded ICU capacity from 10 to 50 beds in anticipation of growing numbers of covid pts in critical condition, and we'll have at least 50 more for covid pts who haven't reached that stage. Shockingly, they've managed to get enough personnel to make this work, mostly by reassigning people from surgical specialties, internal medicine, and specialties that primary deal with elective outpatient work. Elsewhere, a call for volunteers received 5000 positive responses from retired healthcare workers and students, so many that nobody knows what to do with them atm. Stockholm has triggered a previously-agreed crisis response package that'll see doctors and nurses in critical positions more than double their salaries; honestly think that money might've been better spent paying people to stay home. For my part, my workload has been exceedingly light so far, so I've been able to enjoy time with my family and start up a research project. The coming weeks are expected to be similarly relaxing wrt work, pandemic notwithstanding. My sister made it back to Sweden safely and is quarantining in sthlm. She's more afraid in sthlm than she was in DC
In less positive news, the leader of a small but mainstream (opposition) party wrote an extraordinarily condescending and racist piece that served to single out Somali Stockholmers for some genuinely disgusting othering disguised as concern. Apparently they've been particularly badly hit by covid because they're culturally distant from real Swedes, as well as being illiterate. It has nothing to do with many of them being unknowingly exposed to wealthy jackasses who were yukking it up in the Alps or at Swedish ski-resorts during a developing pandemic, and then left to fend for themselves by the authorities. Provoked a string of profanities from my wife the likes of which I have not seen in the 10 years we've known each other. Also a surprising number of truly embarrassing and distasteful takes essentially boasting about how much better it is to live in Sweden than in eg. Denmark, Norway or Spain, because Swedes are so smrt, so trustworthy, etc. On a day when hundreds died in Spain, a prominent Swedish journalist saw fit to write about how sad it was that Spanish authorities were so... authoritarian and untrusting, how unfortunate it was that people in those backward countries were not in possession of as much common sense as Swedes. Pathetic, and gross.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The US Bible Belt everyone
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
To be fair, it's not like anyone here walks outside, virus or not. People drive to get somewhere across the street.
Hope is the denial of reality
True, but it still implies a destination. They may not run a risk on the bus, but the stores/restaurants/bars are just as risky.
Congratulations America
This is true, my county residents threw a massive bitch fit when the schools stopped busing for homes that were < 2 miles away.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Quite reasonably if buses were an option before.
My daughter's school is about 2 miles away and I drive them, I wouldn't consider expecting a 3 year old to walk 2 miles.
Someone on another site I go to designed his own graph which I think is an interesting representation.
Just stepped outside for the 'clap for carers' and been told by a neighbour that my next door neighbour (who is an OAP who was shielding and scared of getting the virus) has been taken into hospital and confirmed positive with the virus and is currently getting treatment. She's been taken off the ventilator though so that's progress, fingers crossed for her.
She's back home and healthy. Just spoke to her (from our respective doorways) at this week's clap.
That's good to hear.
I'm pretty scared. It feels like only a matter of when and not if I get it. I'm still having chemotherapy, thankfully, as I'm lucky enough to have it privately and at home; however it does mean nurse visits. These nurses go all around the region and come into contact with lots of people. They've recently been wearing PPE but it's still a massive worry. They have to ask people whether they show any symptoms in a call before they visit, but some morons haven't been honest and the nurse today said she saw somebody a few days ago with a cough and high temp. That's not uncommon with cancer patients, and they think it was a chest infection, but it defo feels like it's coming my way.
If/when I do get it I'm probably done for as I can't see how my body will be able to fight it (after 16 cycles and nearly 12 months of chemo.) I wonder what will be a nicer way to go. On sedation with a ventilator, relatively quickly, or the last stages of cancer. Dark thoughts, but thankfully there's a new Red Dwarf on in a few mins
Sometimes, just sometimes, I don't despair about the future. Read the thread.
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"When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)
Breaking news! It turns out that covid-19 is capable of asymptomatic transmission! This was only just discovered! Experts are shocked! If only we'd found out sooner! The Governor of the state the CDC is headquartered in must have been one of the first to find out about this development, and here's what he had to say today:
I feel so much safer* now.
*I screamed at the television while this press conference was happening; it didn't help.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
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