German Placing RFIDs in ID cards

[Wraith]

Welll, it is a fact that identity theft is worse in the US and UK. It might go too far to say that ID-cards are central to the explanation of the difference, but is sure shows that ID-cards do not make ID-theft easier.

It really doesn't. It doesn't give you any information one way or another on the impact of ID cards on identity theft.

[Hazir]

It really doesn't. It doesn't give you any information one way or another on the impact of ID cards on identity theft.

Still, since ID theft is more rampant in countries that oppose ID-cards it is highly unlikely that ID-cards make ID-theft easier.

[Steely Glint]

Still, since ID theft is more rampant in countries that oppose ID-cards it is highly unlikely that ID-cards make ID-theft easier.

I like the way "American and the UK" has now become "countries which oppose ID cards".

[Nessus]

Absence of proof is not proof of absence

[wiggin]

Hazir, seriously you need to check out your reasoning and rhetoric on this one. Firstly, as Wraith implies, a correlation (even if true) does not necessarily imply causation. Tying opposition to national ID cards with or without RFID to identity theft is a tenuous link at best at has no proven causation whatsoever. Hell, you could turn your reasoning on its head - maybe ID theft is more common in these countries for other reasons (demographics, structure of financial institutions, crime rates, whatever), which makes people much more likely to be opposed to ID cards given its increased chances of identity theft. Seriously.

Furthermore, when you tried to back up your assertion about identity theft with data, you came up with a big blank and tried rationalizing it away with a truly laughable argument: "If I can't find the data, it must not be important!"

Really, we expect better.

[Hazir]

First of all I did not link the two, so I feel no urge whatsoever to give evidence either way. And that will stay so untill the person who brought the subject up in combination to rfids in ID-cards gives us any substantial information about there being any link. As things stand I am perfectly happy with my assumptions.

Also Wraith wasn't the first one who claimed there was no correlation. His post was in reaction to my statement that there is no reverse correlation visible, the two are not excluding eachother in the least. I also did state my assumption AFTER saying what Wraith repeats more affirmatively in his reply.

And Nessus, in the case of a problem that supposedly is affecting large sections of society the absense of reporting, statistics is telling. Unless you are living under a dictatorship that represses such reporting effectively.

[Hazir]

Ah yes, I missed that one post in which I said something off the cuff in a sidelines about the situation in the USA. Well Steely, congratulations, I have just decided you're going to get zero responses from me for the time being. And please take the advise I gave you in my previous post, the emotion if felt is even stronger now. And don't forget to feel smug about not having ID-cards, it makes you a better human being.

[Steely Glint]

Uh, keep working on those post-fuck up face saving tactics, I think you're pretty much getting the oppose effect you're after there.

[Illusions]

Uh, keep working on post-fuck up face saving tactics, I think you're pretty much getting the oppose effect you're after there.

This is pretty much standard fare Hazir debating here. He's done it plenty of times before on a number of different topics. It always ends with him just not communicating with people. It pretty much breaks down to you better tell Hazir what he wants to hear, or he won't bother speaking with you, facts, figures, and professional opinions be damned, Hazir's are the only ones that count.

[Hazir]

This is pretty much standard fare Hazir debating here. He's done it plenty of times before on a number of different topics. It always ends with him just not communicating with people. It pretty much breaks down to you better tell Hazir what he wants to hear, or he won't bother speaking with you, facts, figures, and professional opinions be damned, Hazir's are the only ones that count.

Yeah, make this into a discussion about me you asshole. I don't need any of you lot for validation of my communication skills. Half of the time these discussions derail entirely because people here can't see the difference between a discussion online and a scientific discourse and/or fighting out some feud they have with a user.