Texas reports single-day high in coronavirus deaths two weeks after reopening
https://thehill.com/changing-america...rus-deaths-two
whoops!
Texas reports single-day high in coronavirus deaths two weeks after reopening
https://thehill.com/changing-america...rus-deaths-two
whoops!
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
The concept of "Tuesday" doesn't exist in a post-human contact world.Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
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Oh fucking god, don't let the Republicans see that!
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Size of SARS-CoV-2 virions is given as 50-200 nm, which is a lot smaller than wavelengths of visible light. Therefore, it physically cannot be black.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/deroy-...-home-response
"In late March, Cuomo announced that nursing homes were required to accept COVID-19 positive patients once they were discharged after becoming more medically stable. In addition, according to Murdock, those patients were not required to be tested following their release.
"As a result, a lot of these folks went back to nursing homes people got sick -- nursing homes which had not been touched by COVID-19 suddenly became hotbeds of COVID-19 -- and unfortunately a lot of seniors in nursing homes started dying in huge numbers," Murdock remarked. "The death toll right now is about 5,300 [or] something like that."
Additionally, nursing home directors have reported they've begged the state for more protective equipment and tests as well as help in relocating positive patients, but pleas have gone unanswered. All of this comes as the number of workers who called out sick steadily rose.
Cuomo has since amended his policy, adding a directive telling hospitals that they must test patients and patients must be negative before being returned to nursing homes. He is also now requiring nursing homes to test staff twice weekly.
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Of course Cuomo is a media darling so I doubt there'll be much press about this colossal fuck up.
That Fox News story is misleading and blatantly partisan. That's why you liked it.
Cuomo also said if nursing homes weren't equipped (with staff or PPE) to accept those patients, all they had to do was say so -- and the state would find a place that could, including short-term rehab centers or pop-up hospitals. And in case you missed it, Cuomo was sounding the alarm about PPE shortages from the beginning.
Florida has been criticized for under-reporting cases and death totals (discrepancies b/w Medical Examiners and Health Dept. numbers based on residency and cause of death) and even refusing to share nursing home cases and deaths with the public. Of course DeSantis is a Trump darling so Fox News won't cover that.
Putting Covid patients with the elderly is dumb as hell even if they have PPE.
Not all "nursing homes" are long-term care facilities for the elderly, ya know. They're also temporary places for skilled care after hospital discharge --- since the Insurance Industry changed its hospital inpatient reimbursement policies.
Once a covid-19 patient is deemed "recovered/recovering", they no longer need to occupy a hospital bed (that's both expensive and in short supply). Even Insurance companies say that doesn't meet their Medical Necessity requirements. But they can't be discharged directly to home if they still need monitoring and/or assistance -- that would be medical malpractice -- so where else would you send them?
*Here's an idea: since DeSantis has done such a great job, let's send all New York patients recovering from covid-19 to Florida! Many are snow birds with second homes there, anyway. Wouldn't cost much to charter big medical tour buses (compared to airfare). Put them up in motels, provide them with home-care nursing assistants, and subsidize their trips to the doctor's office! Bill Medicaid or Medicare if their private insurance denies their claims. Either way it'd be like a jobs program for hotel and healthcare sectors, expanding into restaurants and entertainment as the patients continue their recovery. Then Florida can use taxes from medical-related services to fill their tourism tax revenue shortfall, without having to enact new income taxes! win/win
I know you want to turn this into a blue state vs red state thing, but it's really about the failures in our for-profit, private insurance based healthcare system.
Last edited by GGT; 05-17-2020 at 01:23 AM.
Recovering and Recovered are different. And if the policy was so great GGT why did the governor now reverse course?Not all "nursing homes" are long-term care facilities for the elderly, ya know. They're also temporary places for skilled care after hospital discharge --- since the Insurance Industry changed its hospital inpatient reimbursement policies.
Once a covid-19 patient is deemed "recovered/recovering", they no longer need to occupy a hospital bed (that's both expensive and in short supply). Even Insurance companies say that doesn't meet their Medical necessity requirements. But they can't be discharged directly to home if they still need monitoring and/or assistance -- that would be medical malpractice -- so where else would you send them?
I know you want to turn this into a blue state vs red state thing, but it's really about the failures in our for-profit, private insurance based healthcare system.
And wait - you are complaining about the "for-profit" healthcare system when the governor *REQUIRED* the nursing homes to take patients? /Boggle
"Someone" is NIH.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16540196
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2136947/
Freedom - When people learn to embrace criticism about politicians, since politicians are just employees like you and me.
But only physicians should be making those decisions, not Insurance companies.
Cuomo has admitted his mistakes and taken responsibility/accountability -- with humility and remorse. He even said, "Blame me" in one of his press conferences. You may not like his politics, but you can't deny that his leadership skills are far better than Trump's.And if the policy was so great GGT why did the governor now reverse course?
(He's at least willing to change course as the science/data changes. Trump just keeps being stubborn and stupid, making false promises based on falsehoods, intuition, and wishful thinking.)
Dude, you don't seem to know much about your own (insurance) industry, let alone how our health systems, or state governance works.And wait - you are complaining about the "for-profit" healthcare system when the governor *REQUIRED* the nursing homes to take patients? /Boggle
All governors are *required* to consider the health & welfare of their populace, whether it's by state laws or their state's constitution, including your home state of Texas. But yeah, I'm complaining that what people think as "Federalism", or state's rights, has been co-opted by powerful political donor groups, like the Insurance Industry. And it bugs me that you think only lib'rul democrats are to blame....and can't even admit that "conservative" Republicans are just as responsible for the mess we're in.
It's also too Trumpian -- deny, deflect, divide. It's also trolling for cognitive dissonance. See, we're not fighting THE VIRUS now, but each other.
Last edited by GGT; 05-17-2020 at 03:36 AM.
First link relates to deactivation of norovirus surogate on surfaces using sodium bicarbonate. So:
1) coronavirus is not norovirus. The latter infects cells in GI tract, and has no interest in lung tissue, for one thing. Coronavirus is an enveloped virus, as opposed to the non-enveloped norovirus, so there are significant differences even on most basic level. Therefore, you have no reason to assume that whatever kills one, will also be effective against the other.
2) similarly, food contact surfaces is a piss-poor model for any part of our organism. Virus requires living cells to multiply, and uses various pathways and interactions with organisms on a molecular level to gain access to said cells - and there is an equally complex array of mechanisms via which the immune system of the organisms tries to prevent that; then, a number of ways various viruses try to circumvent those defenses, various methods immune system may employ to fight these countermeasures, and so on.
In contrast, a surface is just a place where virions may remain for some time. There's very little, if any, interaction between the surface and the virus, and there are neither any ways for the virus to multiply there, nor any surrogate for immune reaction from the surface. So, again, what works for one may very well be completely ineffective for the other. Our body is more than just a surface, so you can't directly compare the two.
Your second link is even more off target - like, way off. It describes virus propagation in bicarbonate-depleted cells. Never mind the fact that the employed viruses are, again, not even remotely similar to coronavirus (Coxsackie and poliovirus are non-enveloped, while vaccinia virus is not even a ribovirus), never mind that cellular concentrations of bicarbonate is not even remotely related to "gargling some bicarb" - but the conclusion of the whole article is right there, in the second sentence of the abstract: "Under the described experimental conditions, bicarbonate depletion suppresses the propagation of this virus.". If that still needs some simplification - more bicarbonate = more viral replication. Why would you even wave around something that, even if you drop every detail beyond the basic broad strokes, still arrives at the exactly opposite conclusion from what you were initially suggesting?
Honestly, did you just throw in keywords "bicarbonate" "RNA" and "virus" in the search engine, and decided to drop the first two results here as some sort of proof without even bothering to read past the title? That ain't ever gonna work, man.
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Why do you even bother?
"When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)
A lot of good information disseminated by analyzing goofy theories. I like that he bothers with that.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Trump should tout the big numbers like how our nation, which is merely 4.25% of the world population, accounts for nearly 30% of covid related death.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
While the situation in the USA is atrocious (and I foresaw it in this thread) stats like that are nonsense. A great many nations aren't bothering to count how many of their citizens are dying from this, either because they aren't capable of doing so, or don't care.
I keep seeing idiots in this country say the UK has the second-highest death toll in the world after the USA, its nonsense, its just our figures are quite accurate while nations that were overwhelmed like Spain and Italy don't know how many died from it yet, while others like Brazil, Russia, Egypt and Iran neither care nor are capable of figuring it out either. Covid deaths worldwide will be an order of magnitude more than reported.
Just got back from Target (middle class Walmart) and masks where by far the minority of shoppers. This country is so fucked.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
In fairness Dr. Facui himself first told Americans it wasn't necessary. And while yes, the guidance changed over time the back and forth leads room for doubt in the effectiveness of them.
Thank you lewk for putting into words both your stupidity and the stupidity of a subset of those that go without masks.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Yeah, we can use that crappy excuse for this country's response too.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Lewk should read this,
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/,
thoroughly. Just because POTUS is above the law (or guidelines) doesn't mean everyone else is. Merchants are taking flak for trying to enforce Whitehouse Guidelines for Opening Up America Again.
Advise citizens regarding protocols for social distancing and face coveringsContinue to adhere to State and local guidance as well as complementary CDC guidance, particularly with respect to face coverings.Strongly consider using face coverings while in public, and particularly when using mass transit.^ Just some of the bullet points he might have missed.Social distancing and protective equipment
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
It's not an excuse it's showing where information is lacking and it doesn't change anything. This isn't some morbid sporting league table. Does others doing worse make you feel better? I should hope not.
Take Spain for instance. Their data is missing a lot of care home deaths and the situation in Spanish care homes got so horrific that the Spanish military were called in to clear the dead out of them. If you think global coronavirus death figures are remotely accurate you're wrong.
Of course others doing worse makes you feel better. It gives you comfort that your own leaders are in control and making the right decisions.
It doesn't make it any less sad.
Maybe for you. Personally others doing better make me feel better, it gives me comfort that lessons can be learnt from them to make things better for us. Others doing worse makes me feel sad and worry that could happen to us if things get worse for us.
How can you learn lessons from others if you don't trust their numbers?
While I agree that the numbers are not that easily comparable between countries, particularly with countries like Russia who even if they had the real numbers probably wouldn't share them.. what makes you think the UK numbers are quite accurate?
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
This is why we should be reporting excess deaths. Last I checked, the UK had the biggest percentage increase in the world. The next few countries had much higher population density, too.
Hope is the denial of reality
You forgot to include the link,
UK Wrong Again
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Well, I found it quite interesting, so there's that.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
You learn lessons from those doing well (Singapore, S Korea, Germany, New Zealand) not those doing badly or fraudulently.
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