Bootstraps man. Personal responsibility. Blame. Self-made men. Winning, point-scoring. Ghost in the machine. Realism? Pragmatism? Compassion and understanding? Insight? Ha. More religion. More rigid defense- and coping-mechanisms. Resistance is futile.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The reference to a child getting "disciplined" indicates concrete individual events, rendering the "naughty" and "brat" terms as connoting ephemeral bits of behavior, not a regular descriptive trend.Originally Posted by Aimless
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
In the context of a discussion about diagnosing ADHD that meaning would be truly puzzling. I have never heard of anyone being diagnosed with ADHD based exclusively on isolated incidents of ephemeral bad behavior rather than based on patterns of behavior. Have you? Has RB? Would he say that most ADHD diagnoses are made that way?
Perhaps he was using "ADHD" in the 16th century slang sense, I dunno. I don't mean to be combative but I'm out of meds.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Exactly yes.
Minx please explain what scientific tests diagnose ADHD? Is it chemical imbalances you can detect in a blood test ...?
Oooo..this is gonna be good.
Brevior saltare cum deformibus viris est vita
Yes.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Sadly enough, I'd also have to answer that one with a 'Yes'. I dare say that we tend to over-diagnose ADHD upon unruly children.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
In addition do you not think that patterns of behaviour may not be indicative of something else wrong - and possibly a warning sign - than a mental disorder?
For starters you can't make a diagnosis of ADHD based exclusively on the occasional isolated incident of unruly behavior. If you've seen that happen then feel free to do your duty as a teacher and report it to the appropriate authorities. Esp. if the kids received eg. ritalin and didn't react as expected. My guess is that the vast majority (ie. "most") of eg. Canadian kids who have been 1. officially diagnosed with ADHD and 2. are receiving pharmacological treatment have been diagnosed based on more than eg. just throwing a paper aeroplane.
Of course that option should be considered and investigated. I don't know if anyone here is dismissing entirely the possibility of a child's behavior being indicative of something other than ADHD. ADHD isn't as much a mental disorder as it is a neuropsychiatric developmental disorder.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
So to go back to the original claim that brought ADHD into the discussion, I think we have demonstrated it that can be a coincidence given there are far more factors involved with the increasing diagnoses (and misdiagnoses) of ADHD than merely the introduction of Game Boys. Do you agree Minxy?
Yes I can definitely agree with both you and GGT being wrong, that'd be like Christmas
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Which totally shows up in a blood test, because those are the only real disorders.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Well said
Don't get me started on the amount of so-called Depression either.
I'm starting to understand the remark about religion at this point
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Well I am an atheist and a sceptic about religion, what is wrong with being sceptical about other things? Healthy scepticism is the bedrock of good science.
Incidentally depression is a good comparison as it can have physiological markers that can show up in a blood test. Although that's not how it's diagnosed. Questionnaires are horrible ways to conduct science and easy to fake.
There is a difference between rejecting something because it lacks proof, and rejecting something because you obviously do not understand the concept, the science, the proof, etc.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Yes and I reject it because it lacks proof.
Seems almost universal, practically everyone on this thread agrees that a diagnoses of ADHD != proof of ADHD.
All that seems to be disputed is the scale and extent of misdiagnoses. Do you dispute that? Do you believe that ALL cases of ADHD diagnoses are universally correct and proven?
no one disputes the idea that disorders can risk being overdiagnosed, even with blood samples, what you have yet to explain is thought pattern on how this makes ADHD diagnoses such bullshit that the disorder can be fixed with good parenting / upbringing. So far you're using a displayed oversensitivity to deny its basic existence. That displays a serious lack of understanding.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
So you agree with me.
I believe the misdiagnosed cases can be treated with a good upbringing.
lets recap, and how often to you believe this to be the case again (mostly is such an open ended term)? and how are the real suffers supposed to be handled?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
At the very least a statistically significant proportion of the time an prrobably most of the time, though I acknowledge that is both debatable and unprovable.
Now you answer your same question and let's see how different we are
and how should we treat those that truely suffer from this disorder?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
You answer the first question first, I have.
We don't have any valid scientific studies (or at least none have been presented thus far) to answer the first question, as we covered in the first 2 pages of this thread. I'd rather not speculate on something that is unproven based on my personal understanding of brats.
Now, attempt #3, how should we treat those that truely suffer from this disorder?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
So before we move on are you saying my claim is wrong, unknown or unprovable? Could I be right?
b and c as you're already admitted. however that doesn't at any point suggest you could be any more right than you are any more wrong. That loops back to the comment on religion and reply 106.
maybe 4th times a charm. how should we treat those children that truely suffer from this disorder
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
So what you're saying 100 replies later is that my original claim you can not say is either right or wrong?
Depressive disorders are among the most underdiagnosed and socially harmful disorders in the world but sure jesus saves and gays are devil worshippers or something
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Your original claim and most of your subsequent claims have been wrong. You're neck-and-neck with ggt at the mo with the difference that her claim has more evidence to back it
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
your first child will be a goat. Cause hey, you never really know if thats right or wrong.
see how that works?
I'm curoius now why its so uncomfortable for you tackle the question of treatment for honest suffers
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
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