"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms get involved in these operations?
Well Firearms are almost always involved ...
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
It was all hands on deck.
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Based on my friend's posts on Facebook, it seems they seriously believed (and hoped) this was some kind of Tea Party Terrorist attack.
But I'm glad they got this kid alive. Based on what I've read so far it sounds like a really sad family dynamic.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
As Rath said, all hands on deck but the ATF is usually involved, sometimes the primary authority, with bombings/bombers. In the morass of conflicting jurisdictions/responsibilities, Congress at some point legislated that bombs were firearms.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
That's a really nice picture OG. Stolen it and put it up on Facebook.
But I asked Loki to distinguish what he meant about Chechens attacking "the West", more specifically about attempts "in the US".
Loki, your comments were full of stereotypes and pre-judgements from the beginning, before all the facts are even known!First, they were Arabs, then radical Muslims, then terrorists from Chechnya, then you suggest it's part of a Holy War. Yet, you've already decided it's not possibly related to secular Chechen national separatists, with Anti-Soviet or Anti-Russian sentiments.
It's one thing to post your gut instinct or first take, but don't try to clothe that as being more informed -- or "academic" -- because it's not. IMO, that's the knee-jerk reaction that perpetuates an irrational fear of (and by) dark-skinned males, Muslims, Arabs, or any immigrant with a 'funny accent', in the US.
Please quote where he said it was done by Arabs/Muslims. He said he wouldn't want to be a Muslim in the US right now (due to fear of reprisals). Quite a lot of Muslims online have said they were worried about the same.
Have you read what the terrorist himself had to say? My money is on radicalism Islam - because of what he's said!
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Read this thread from the beginning.
You're referring to the *deceased* elder brother's youtube account? Yeah, it points to being "radicalized" at some point...but it's not clear by whom or for what reason. There are plenty of missing links yet to be thoroughly investigated. Like his application for citizenship being denied (due to a domestic assault charge by a girl-friend), a 'foreign state' asking the FBI to check him out in 2011, his 6 months in Russia afterward, and the youtube account taking a radical bend right afterward.Have you read what the terrorist himself had to say? My money is on radicalism Islam - because of what he's said!
So far, the *captured* brother's history reveals nothing -- other than a typical American kid who seemed culturally assimilated, intelligent, educated, and well-liked by his peers and neighbors. Everyone who knew him is expressing shock. Some have volunteered to testify on his behalf as character witnesses.
The family's history and dynamics are confusing but important. And collecting all the information is still in early stages. Even if it turns out to be Radical Islam, such eagerness to make that conclusion so fast is....disturbing.
I assume you were equally opposed to those saying this was an attack by right leaning (Tea Partiers) folks?
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I "assumed" those were attempts at humor. None of this is funny, but serious situations sometimes mean comic relief.
The Tea Party might be the brunt of political jokes, but extremists are no laughing matter.
The amount of mental gymnastics done by GGT in this thread is surely enough to win an Internet Olympics.
Every time I see this thread title I think about this song:
This has been making the rounds; true story! It's a cop from my town (who generally hand out traffic tickets rather than hunt terrorists.)
He seems awfully friendly.
Well, he WAS having a pretty bad week.
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Is that the actual reason for the milk picture? The original's been floating around reddit for a while, and I had absolutely no context for it.
There isn't really a secular/Islamist divide amont Chechen separatists or Chechen's wih violent anti-Russian sentiments. As Loki referenced earlier, even if they regarded religion as a crock they'd still identify and make use of an Islamic identity because it's a much broader element of culture for them then just the religious tones. The sharp secular/temporal divide is an aspect of Renaissance-derived Western culture and should not be applied willy-nilly into other parts of Eurasia.
And I don't see what Chechen separatism has to do with bombing the Boston marathon. Even if they were stereotypical violent Chechen radicals that doesn't mean the bombing here was about Russia as you suggested earlier.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
http://jihadology.net/2013/04/21/new...nts-in-boston/
I'd be interested to know how much the "truther" BS contributed to the attack. The terrorists and their immediate family seem to be conspiracy nuts (which is probably why other parts of their family don't talk to them). Your typical Chechen nationalist wants to target Russia, not the US. But if one believes the US government is behind all the evil in the world, one can probably justify attacking the US as a proxy for Russia.
On an amusing note:
On Nov. 29, he wrote: "I kind of like religious debates, just hearing what other people believe is interesting and then crushing their beliefs with facts is fun." And on Jan. 15: "I don't argue with fools who say Islam is terrorism it's not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot."
(from the younger terrorist)
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This is a hint of how interesting things could get in the future. Officials are quoting as saying that facial recognition software didn't do jack shit to help the investigation, and that they only released the images of the suspects because social media sites (reddit) were zeroing in on the wrong people, and releasing the images may have lead to how the shootouts and arrest went down.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
London pays tribute to Boston during the London Marathon yesterday, starting with a 30 second silence at the start.
Impromptu memorial near my building where Sean Collier was murdered:
The plaza around is covered in chalk messages:
If waiting for all the facts, after a thorough investigation, before making blanket statements means "mental gymnastics".... then yeah, count me as an Internet Olympics pre-qualifier.
I doubt that's what Loki meant by 'Chechen terrorist attacks made against the West'. Perhaps if you had asked him to be less cavalier, and more precise in his postings, this tangent wouldn't be a distraction.
My main point is that it's TOO EARLY to make ANY conclusions. Being arm-chair analysts isn't justification for reacting as knee-jerk, reactionary jerks.And I don't see what Chechen separatism has to do with bombing the Boston marathon. Even if they were stereotypical violent Chechen radicals that doesn't mean the bombing here was about Russia as you suggested earlier.
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between Loki's speculation about it being related to Islamic extremism and your post linking it to domestic terrorism because of its proximity to Tax and Patriot day.If waiting for all the facts, after a thorough investigation, before making blanket statements means "mental gymnastics".... then yeah, count me as an Internet Olympics pre-qualifier.
My main point is that it's TOO EARLY to make ANY conclusions. Being arm-chair analysts isn't justification for reacting as knee-jerk, reactionary jerks.
Except, of course, that his speculation was more accurate.
Everyone knows that Chechen Islamists are equally likely to be Tea Partyers as they are to be Islamist terrorists.
I do wonder how much of this was caused by the "truther" movement. The entire immediate family of the bombers seem to be conspiracy nuts of the first degree.
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