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    Even our Whitehouse admitted that they only went against suggesting masks because they knew they didn't have enough for the front line workers and they didn't want to create a rush on masks before securing enough for them.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The NIH just indexes the journal for the National Library of Medicine, it's not an endorsement. There's a lot of garbage articles out there.

    Khen: In this case, the epub isn't a preprint in the sense of being a draft article (like you'd find in eg arxiv). It's published electronically as soon as it is accepted and has undergone copy editing, but is called an epub until the full assigned volume is released as a unit.

    Obviously it doesn't suggest the book series or its editors are very good.
    Last edited by wiggin; 09-06-2020 at 11:09 PM.
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    What wiggin said. Also, Chandra Wickramasinghe (one of the authors) has been a proponent of a sort of "panspermy of the gaps" approach to various epidemics for at least 20 years; he has suggested extraterrestrial origin for the 1918 flu, SARS and probably other diseases as well. The problem is, as often, that he is one of those overall good and respected experts in a certain field (organic molecules in interstellar space, namely) that have some less-than-sensible beliefs on the side, so you can't really outright dismiss him as a random loony - that's probably why the article was published in the first place.
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    That's a preprint. As evidenced by "[Epub ahead of print]"
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    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post



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    Wait, are you kidding?
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    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    You mean to tell me that a for profit entity is prioritising profit over the lives of it's own staff? How could that possibly happen? There must be some misunderstanding.
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  11. #11
    Universal Studios theme park has hit modified capacity for the past several days. 2+ hour long waits for rides. No one cares about the virus anymore.
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    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    What's dumb about a calculated decision to let COVID take who its going to take while preserving the economy? I don't agree with it, but it isn't stupid. It's just incredibly heinous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    What's dumb about a calculated decision to let COVID take who its going to take while preserving the economy? I don't agree with it, but it isn't stupid. It's just incredibly heinous.
    It's dumb because Sweden's GDP took a massive hit and also because Sweden is the quintessential nanny state, whose approach to the pandemic has relied on an extensive welfare system that safeguards eg. the right to paid sick leave—and, of course, the right to healthcare. It's even more stupid because other countries have fared better wrt both mortality and negative economic impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    It's dumb because Sweden's GDP took a massive hit and also because Sweden is the quintessential nanny state, whose approach to the pandemic has relied on an extensive welfare system that safeguards eg. the right to paid sick leave—and, of course, the right to healthcare. It's even more stupid because other countries have fared better wrt both mortality and negative economic impact.
    Oh, okay. Well, then his statement is either bordering on total ignorance, or he's using other people's ignorance, and a very cherry-picked number, to rustle support for some whatever-the-fuck agenda that he believes he'll benefit from. If that is the case, then he's a giant ass hole.
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    And....the President admits to publicly playing down the covid threat, at the same time his administration was doing little to nothing to prepare, all while knowing the disease was deadly.
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    I can see and understand downplaying the threat to avoid panic. Not necessarily agree with it, it was probably still the wrong choice in this case, but I can understand it. . . provided he was also taking strong effective measures to manage the beginning pandemic. Which was signally lacking. If you're going to lie to the public, you need to at least TRY to do a good job in protecting them in aggregate from what you're lying about, since you're trying to hinder their ability to protect themselves at the individual level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I can see and understand downplaying the threat to avoid panic. Not necessarily agree with it, it was probably still the wrong choice in this case, but I can understand it. . . provided he was also taking strong effective measures to manage the beginning pandemic. Which was signally lacking. If you're going to lie to the public, you need to at least TRY to do a good job in protecting them in aggregate from what you're lying about, since you're trying to hinder their ability to protect themselves at the individual level.
    I think he was lying a bit to Woodward too. Or, rather, not elaborating on his intentions.

    Everything he's done in response to the pandemic has been an attempt to minimize the impact on the economy, which he is acutely aware of being his one and only chance at re-election (since his Ukraine-Biden scam got exposed). In other words, Panic for Trump meant social distancing and pressing pause on the economy and putting millions out of work and so on -- what we would call "effective epidemic response." That's why he down-played it and he didn't mobilize the government to respond.

    He made the choice to let millions more get sick, and a hundred and fifty thousand more people die (both still counting), to maximize his chances, in his mind, of getting another term. He could give a shit about people being afraid and panicking -- his entire re-election plan right now is to scare Americans into voting for him, ffs. He loves panic, just so long as the sheep run in the direction he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    I think he was lying a bit to Woodward too. Or, rather, not elaborating on his intentions.

    Everything he's done in response to the pandemic has been an attempt to minimize the impact on the economy, which he is acutely aware of being his one and only chance at re-election (since his Ukraine-Biden scam got exposed). In other words, Panic for Trump meant social distancing and pressing pause on the economy and putting millions out of work and so on -- what we would call "effective epidemic response." That's why he down-played it and he didn't mobilize the government to respond.

    He made the choice to let millions more get sick, and a hundred and fifty thousand more people die (both still counting), to maximize his chances, in his mind, of getting another term. He could give a shit about people being afraid and panicking -- his entire re-election plan right now is to scare Americans into voting for him, ffs. He loves panic, just so long as the sheep run in the direction he wants.
    The issue is that effective public health measures improve the economy they don't harm it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The issue is that effective public health measures improve the economy they don't harm it.
    What do you mean by "the issue is?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    What do you mean by "the issue is?"
    I mean that his logic is flawed and self-defeating.

    If he'd tried to deal with this virus months ago then by November the economy would be healthily growing. Instead because of what he's done and how he allowed the virus to keep spreading the economy is still getting hammered.
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    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Iowa govt's guidelines say those exposed to the virus for 15 consecutive min within 6 feet need to quarantine after exposure

    So schools are literally having kids get up and move around the room every 12-14 minutes
    That's just their way of spreading the love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
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    And those guidelines were only written like that to begin with so that schools wouldn't have to shut down due to passing infected people in packed hallways like we saw in those Georgia pictures.
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    The issue is....Trump is a pathological liar and malignant narcissist.

  27. #27
    Trump continues to "downplay" the virus....telling his rally-goers that we've rounded the corner and we're doing better than any other country!

    Liars gotta lie.


    edit -- what I don't get is why so many people fall for Trump's lies and enable his Big Con.
    Last edited by GGT; 09-11-2020 at 03:05 AM.

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    ONS figures confirm COVID has started to increase again in the UK.


    Hopefully it doesn't follow the same path as France etc have seen.
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    This doesn't change anything of what we discussed. It is increasing from a low base currently and is nothing like March, as I said.

    I never said the virus was behind us, I said the worst of it economical was which is true. ONS data today shows July grew at 6.6% on a MoM basis (approx 115% growth on an aannualised basis). We will see what continues to happen from here.
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