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  1. #1981
    Right, Rand. That's what Renzi wanted to.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  2. #1982
    Yes it is. Granting an automatic 54% majority to the lower house while simultaneously abolishing all checks and balances from the upper house. The largest party could unilaterally change almost any law bypassing the Senate within 30 days.

    Do you seriously claim stripping the Senate of almost all its powers while abolishing the possibility of a hung parliament in the lower house is a case of preserving democratic institutions?
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  3. #1983
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Ryan should prioritize, and this is worth prioritizing. This lie is an attack on the legitimacy of your democracy. If unchallenged, it can have serious consequences eg. in the form of further voter suppression measures.
    It's meaningless rhetoric and Ryan speaking against it would be similarly meaningless on whatever stages you think are relevant, but would be very meaningful on a different stage on which he will have to spend a lot of time, his working relationship with the sitting President of his own party. But you're right, he should prioritize. And he is. Paul Ryan is Speaker of the House of Representatives. This is the body which currently has a 15% national approval rating. He has ZERO EFFECTIVENESS using his position as a bully pulpit. If you hope he will accomplish something, you NEED him to not pick fights with his party's President and instead use his position to mitigate excesses by working with Trump. The Speaker of the House is of no real consequence on the national stage, the position only gives a politician impact via the actual workings of the House.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    This must be why the same GOP refused to work with Obama. And again, at some point preserving democratic institutions takes precedence over being able to pass tax cuts.
    Different rules govern the opposition and you know it. If a Dem senator treated their GOP colleagues like Cruz did, it would have been of zero consequence, no one would have batted an eye, they would have just been another partisan. Ryan isn't opposition. If he does want to preserve our democratic institutions, then he STILL has to make that same response.
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  4. #1984
    https://twitter.com/benshapiro/statu...73476906590208

    And now we have large majorities of Republicans taking Trump's lead and opposing both free markets and the rule of law...
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  5. #1985
    What percentage of Democrats said the same thing?
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  6. #1986
    Um, the numbers are there.

    Also, remember when Cruz used to be a free market conservative? Not anymore.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/ted-cr...rticle/2005716
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  7. #1987
    Not in your post or in the Tweet text. Following through to the links I found the number but hard to see on a phone screen so no need to be snide. A majority in one case and nearly a majority in the others.

    Not good . Every President seems to be a reaction to the last, hopefully the next President can be more free market.
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  8. #1988
    How can the next president by pro-free market when the free market party no longer supports free markets? Democrats aren't magically going to become the free market party. At least not in the short term.

    Can't you see the graph on the right? The numbers are 69-78% for Republicans...
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  9. #1989
    One conspiracy theory weirdo who's definitely still involved in the transition is the elder Flynn, who's promoted the Clinton child sex abuse hoax himself. Erratic New York real estate heir Donald Trump, who has praised Sandy Hook and 9/11 truther Alex Jones and who once insinuated on national television that private investigators he'd hired had uncovered evidence that Barack Obama was not born in America, is also expected to play a central role in the incoming administration.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ransition.html

    Despite what the apologists here and elsewhere claim, this is not normal.
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  10. #1990
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    How can the next president by pro-free market when the free market party no longer supports free markets? Democrats aren't magically going to become the free market party. At least not in the short term.

    Can't you see the graph on the right? The numbers are 69-78% for Republicans...
    I said hopefully. The Democrats have been free market sometimes in the past, which is why I've flipped between your two parties in the past and backed the Democrats this year. Didn't Bill Clinton sign NAFTA?

    If Trump does worst-case start a trade war and it backfires hopefully the next President will be one who stood up to his lunacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ransition.html

    Despite what the apologists here and elsewhere claim, this is not normal.
    Who said it is?

    That linguistically sure isn't though. Its not clear if the author is trying to be clever and say that Trump is going to play a central role (no shit Sherlock), or that Alex Jones is. Maybe its just me as I've been filing my taxes today and quite knackered now but that doesn't read right to me.
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  11. #1991
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I said hopefully. The Democrats have been free market sometimes in the past, which is why I've flipped between your two parties in the past and backed the Democrats this year. Didn't Bill Clinton sign NAFTA?
    It passed because of strong Republican support. Clinton might have been a convert to free trade, but most Democrats were/are not.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1...ee-Trade-Deals

    If Trump does worst-case start a trade war and it backfires hopefully the next President will be one who stood up to his lunacy.
    Unfortunately, that's not how nationalism works. Other countries/international organizations will be blamed.

    That linguistically sure isn't though. Its not clear if the author is trying to be clever and say that Trump is going to play a central role (no shit Sherlock), or that Alex Jones is. Maybe its just me as I've been filing my taxes today and quite knackered now but that doesn't read right to me.
    I thought it was a pretty clear attempt at humor at Trump's expense.
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  12. #1992
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It passed because of strong Republican support. Clinton might have been a convert to free trade, but most Democrats were/are not.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1...ee-Trade-Deals
    Yes and the President is an individual. I didn't say lets hope the next Congress is made of free trade Democrats, I said lets hope that the next President is the anti-Trump and Free Trade. Whether that being a primary-winning Republican or a Democrat.
    Unfortunately, that's not how nationalism works. Other countries/international organizations will be blamed.
    You're probably right unfortunately, these things go in cycles and we seem to be in a down cycle but hopefully it gets kicked back around sooner than later.
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  13. #1993
    Why would any sane politician run on a free-trade platform when it's unpopular with both parties' bases? You know it's a losing cause when arch-ideologue Cruz jumped ship.
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  14. #1994
    A week is a long time in politics, 4 years sure is.
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  15. #1995
    Cruz has been a staunch free marketer since getting elected.
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  16. #1996
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    I agree that free trade is going to be a low priority in politics for the foreseeable future.
    Congratulations America

  17. #1997
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Cruz has been a staunch free marketer since getting elected.
    And so we have reason to hope that once Trump's honeymoon period ends he can return to form in time for the next cycle.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  18. #1998
    See signature.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  19. #1999
    https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/st...54943339970561

    Did I mention Cruz is now a complete joke?
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  20. #2000
    Only in his odd definition of the word liberal but that is normal your side of the pond. Any true liberal should support Taiwan.
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  21. #2001
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing/?tid=sm_tw

    Trump makes false claims about his roll in, and the end result of, the Carrier deal.
    Union leader calls out Trump for said falsehoods.
    Trump attacks Union leader on twitter.
    Union Leader now receiving nonstop death threats.

    Our next cult leader president everyone!
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  22. #2002
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    See signature.
    Something you could have said about six posts ago. Reading comprehension hasn't been your strong point in recent months, you have repeatedly accused me of saying things I haven't only to fall deadly silent once asked to find where I said it. Lets see now if instead you can find the common denominator in my chain of posts?
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not good . Every President seems to be a reaction to the last, hopefully the next President can be more free market.
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I said hopefully.
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Yes and the President is an individual. I didn't say lets hope the next Congress is made of free trade Democrats, I said lets hope that the next President is the anti-Trump and Free Trade.
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    And so we have reason to hope that once Trump's honeymoon period ends he can return to form in time for the next cycle.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  23. #2003
    Great piece on "patriotic correctness": https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...st-as-stifling

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing/?tid=sm_tw

    Trump makes false claims about his roll in, and the end result of, the Carrier deal.
    Union leader calls out Trump for said falsehoods.
    Trump attacks Union leader on twitter.
    Union Leader now receiving nonstop death threats.

    Our next cult leader president everyone!
    How long before Trump's or Flynn's tweets kill someone? Over/under on 2 months?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Great piece on "patriotic correctness": https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...st-as-stifling



    How long before Trump's or Flynn's tweets kill someone? Over/under on 2 months?
    I never would have thought the US would go the same way as Turkey.
    Congratulations America

  25. #2005
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    I never would have thought the US would go the same way as Turkey.
    We still have a long way to go. But we're certainly heading in the same direction.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  26. #2006
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...40553866833920

    3/4 of Republicans now believe the economy is poised to grow. Shows how deep the support for free-market economics was this whole time.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  27. #2007
    The economy is probably poised to grow.

    It is virtually every year. Recessions are very few and far between.
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  28. #2008
    And they only realized this after Trump got elected with his import-substitution policies?
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  29. #2009
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...imate-meetings

    Who needs a non-partisan civil service? Trump's doing his best to top Putin in cronyism. With virtually no Republican opposition.
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  30. #2010
    Aren't the Democrats meant to provide the opposition?
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