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    Have you been to Russia? Big nose is not a Slavic trait
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Russians aren't Slavs.

    Try looking a bit south-east of Russistan.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    I take it you're mad at uncle Joe for mixing the races?
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  4. #244
    Psssst.

    It's not a Jew's nose that is big. Don't spread the wrong information.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    I slept with a black chick. It was awesome. You mean to tell me that white supremacists would frown upon my tapping that ass?

    Bunch of pigfuckers... what next?
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Jews. It's Jews who have big noses. According to popular sentiment, we're supposed to ignore the fact that Jews and Arabs are from the same racial/ethnic group (and thus, virtually identical, biologically), and only focus on the big noses of Jews, while ignoring the fact that it's a common Arab (as well as Mediterranean and Slavic) trait.

    Just so you know - you wouldn't want to be embarrassed by bringing up this kind of inconvenient and undesirable factoid, next time you're hanging out in the company of white supremacists. Seriously, in those circles, it's almost as bad as letting slip that you once slept with a black chick!

    And no matter how you try to explain it away - it was on a dare, I was drunk, I was blindfolded - they never let you forget about it, and always make fun of you for it. I swear, if they don't drop it soon, I'm gonna stop going to the meetings.
    Heh, I chuckled multiple times.

    What if you didn't get to home plate?

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    If you're gonna fucking rapid-edit, you could at least tell me. I missed this.

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    Cain: the GOP will ban abortions (of interest to all tom cats, a role which you claim),
    It wouldn't be if the law in general wasn't so sexist, so as far as that affects me personally, it's just a symptom of a bigger problem. And anyway, the woman has to chose to get an abortion before you're off the hook for 18 years of financial support, so abortions merely being legal is really a half measure. Now, if the Democrats wanted to impose mandatory abortions, they'd have my vote on this issue.

    But, it's all academic anyway, since the bitch has gotta track me down first, and good luck with that.

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    require "papers" and demand to see them,
    Just like Obama, who's continued the Bush policy of trying to massively expand that fascist practice, and has made a couple innovations of his own, too!

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    insure that drugs stay outlawed,
    Hmm, insurance for illegal drugs. Interesting idea. But assuming you meant "ensure," the Democratic record on this issue is just as bad as the Republican one, only less vocal, so that's not a plus either.

    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    chase illegal brown people essential for our economy out of the country,
    Enh, that's a bipartisan problem, particularly the closer you get to the border. The further away you get, Democratic policies get this effect by proxy, with a decades long bureaucratic nightmare of policy and regulation that even the agency in charge of immigration can't sort out... let alone some illiterate brown person who just wants to work for $3 an hour so he can send money home. Yeah, real practical for him to pay $100 for a work visa, wait in a bureaucratic line for two years, and pending approval, come here to pick strawberries around harvest time. (Hence, why they all do it illegally instead.)

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    institute Christian madrassas funded by taxpayers, etc etc.
    Which, I take it, are somehow fundamentally different from the secular, left-biased government institutions using revisionist history to give all glory to the state?

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    We both know that the Republicans are FAR more socially conservative, despite a few exceptions like gun control. So spare us the rationalizations, huh? Libertarians that vote Rep chose money over social, those that vote Dem choose social over money. It's pretty simple, and your inclinations are also pretty simple to divine.
    Fuck you. Being an ex-[whatever you're arguing against] may lead you to that fallacious conclusion, but your bias is not the same as everyone else's. The Democrats are just as bad on social issues as the Republicans, particularly when you look at their actual actions, and not just the lies they throw out to win votes. If you want to bring up the couple of *actual* examples where they're better, feel free, but of course, then I've got the couple of examples where the Republicans are better, so it's pretty much a wash.

    But, whatever, you continue your shallow, ignorant "it's all about the money ololol" demonization of libertarians if you want, just don't expect anyone to buy into it. In order to do that, you'll have to regale us with another delightful tale of how you were a libertarian for 20 years, before changing your mind and becoming an Evangelical Republican.

    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Heh, I chuckled multiple times.

    What if you didn't get to home plate?
    Then you're a nigger-lover who couldn't even score. So, it's worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spawnie View Post
    I slept with a black chick. It was awesome. You mean to tell me that white supremacists would frown upon my tapping that ass?

    Bunch of pigfuckers... what next?
    Well, they're not big on Jews either... and if you admit to sekzing one, they put you through lengthy and painful interrogation to ensure that you haven't been subverted by the Zionists. Looking back, it wasn't so bad, and they do assure me that my testicle will grow back soon.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Suit yourself, man. I'm not convinced. The Dems, after all, sacrificed their political power in a third of the country to bring us the Civil Rights acts. They did so knowingly, too. Had we left it to the Reps, we might have had it by the 90s. Then again, judging by Thurmond, Helms and Trent Lott, perhaps not.

    And thanks for correcting "insure." I really should proof my posts, but I struggle to care that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Suit yourself, man. I'm not convinced. The Dems, after all, sacrificed their political power in a third of the country to bring us the Civil Rights acts. They did so knowingly, too.
    And back in the '60's, the Republicans sacrificed their political power in more than *half* the country, to free the blacks. So clearly, the Republican party is the party for people who are concerned about minority rights.

    Or, maybe I concern myself more with the modern day, and worry about what each party actually does *now*, rather than puzzle over ancient history, and vote based on policy of a by-gone era, from before I was even born. And now, these days, the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans on social issues.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    I think there's some truth to what you say. The country swung rightwards, and the Dems followed. Pretty much right and left branch of the business party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Well, they're not big on Jews either... and if you admit to sekzing one, they put you through lengthy and painful interrogation to ensure that you haven't been subverted by the Zionists. Looking back, it wasn't so bad, and they do assure me that my testicle will grow back soon.
    Yey. Ive done a jew too! A bona-fide New Yawk jew called Bernstein. I felt so cultured and hip.
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    I think there's some truth to what you say. The country swung rightwards, and the Dems followed. Pretty much right and left branch of the business party.
    Well, depends what you mean on the "right swing." Sure, none of the cool kids show up at the Klan meetings anymore, and it's not socially acceptable to beat the gaymosexuals and leave them to die of exposure, tied to a fence... but, on the other hand, the "gub'mint owes me free shit" attitude is a lot more common and acceptable these days than it was, even as recently as when I was a kid.

    And now with the whole "compassionate conservative" bullshit, it doesn't even look like the Republicans are any better fiscally than the Democrats. If I were the optimistic type, I'd say I hope that they can still be slighty better. Like I said in the Chinese homework thread, it's Demlicans and Republocrats. Never have the differences between the two parties been so small as they are today.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Well, depends what you mean on the "right swing." Sure, none of the cool kids show up at the Klan meetings anymore, and it's not socially acceptable to beat the gaymosexuals and leave them to die of exposure, tied to a fence... but, on the other hand, the "gub'mint owes me free shit" attitude is a lot more common and acceptable these days than it was, even as recently as when I was a kid.

    And now with the whole "compassionate conservative" bullshit, it doesn't even look like the Republicans are any better fiscally than the Democrats. If I were the optimistic type, I'd say I hope that they can still be slighty better. Like I said in the Chinese homework thread, it's Demlicans and Republocrats. Never have the differences between the two parties been so small as they are today.
    Does it really sound like my homework?

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    Not a whole lot... but I can see how anyone you've irritated around here (which is pretty much everyone) might choose to interpret it that way.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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