I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Yeah, that's nice. Loki had been doing his Israel uber alles routine, plus in other threads he had said a couple of sketchy comments in a row about blacks. I'll stand by that. Exaggerated, but not too much. I do think he has racist feelings about blacks and arabs, and I have told him before.
Remember, that was in response to him advocating the killing of thousands, maybe tens of thousands of civilians. You don't think a strong response is called for?
So, why the hell are you giving me an earful about your fetish? I damn well said nothing offensive to you. Go look at it.
From you, I consider that a compliment.
Why don't you link us to his sketchy comments about blacks, instead of just commenting on them? I provided you with the exact thread where he called you a racist - of course, it turns out this only happened after you called him one. Regardless, you considered racist to be an unforgivable term, and yet you cheerfully used it yourself.
I'm not defending Icky at this time. While I have finally decided that I actually like him, he is perfectly capable of fighting you on the merits of any of this all by himself, if he chooses to do so. I was just unable to stomach your hypocrisy in playing the victim. I admit I wasn't expecting to find such a lapful of ammunition; I thought you had goaded him into it - not that you had actually called him a racist first.
My fetishes are completely irrelevant to this discussion. The water one isn't even the most impressive (or kinky) one I have publicly admitted to. If you want to know more about my kinks, make a thread, and be sure to discuss a couple of your own in the OP. I'll cop to all of them. I'm not ashamed of my sex life - or anything I have ever done. But don't think you can bring it up constantly and shame me or anything, because it isn't going to happen.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
YOU brought it up!
Is there an emoticon for batshit crazy? WHERE is this coming from? I have never been anything but supportive of anybody's sexual preferences, ESPECIALLY yours! Go back and look at the oil tanker thread!The water one isn't even the most impressive (or kinky) one I have publicly admitted to. If you want to know more about my kinks, make a thread, and be sure to discuss a couple of your own in the OP. I'll cop to all of them. I'm not ashamed of my sex life - or anything I have ever done. But don't think you can bring it up constantly and shame me or anything, because it isn't going to happen.
Delightful picking and choosing, sweetheart.
I'm assuming you're the sort of married man who would never cheat on his wife, so it's not just because you want to fuck. If I am incorrect in that assumption, I apologize, and as long as you're not scared, I'm game.
Otherwise, explain how you can qualify calling someone racist as the unforgivable sin when you did it first.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
Whoa, this is too much. You keep mixing in all this language acting like I've been some sort of sexual discrimination bigot. I'm utterly mystified as to why you're POed and me. If I offended about something sexual, then I apologize. But if you look at the tanker thread, that was all innocent of any ill intent. I'm very sorry if I hurt your feelings somehow, but if you look at what I posted, there was nothing evil there. I have no idea where you're coming from, but it's too surreal for me to handle.
I'm not POed at you about anything regarding me and anything sexual.
I am POed because I dislike your playing the victim. If you'd fight on the merits, I'd probably be on your side. But this "oh, he called me a racist and a rapist" shit is disgusting.
So, one last time. Be a fucking man.
No more playing the rapist/racist victim card. Stand up for yourself without that shit. Everyone will respect you for it - and you'll have me defending you.
You totally didn't answer the question about whether you'd cheat on your wife.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
I think we're responsible for own actions, so Loki is responsible for being a dick and Tear is responsible for being a thug.
That'd only be the case if Tear was somehow not in control of his own behavior.I'm not saying Tear's actions are 100% justifiable, not at all, but I think some of the blame falls on Loki as well for allegedly saying something as absurd as calling Tear a rapist. If it would have been jokingly said, that's one thing, but saying it in a mean spirited way, and knowing the reaction it would bring from Tear, I can't say Tear is 100% at fault here.
No.Does a woman who dresses provocatively deserve some of the blame if someone decides to rape her?
As an aside, I think the motives for rape are more complex than that. Rape is usually not caused by a man wanting to have sex with a particular women so badly that he rapes her, but rather that the rape itself was the goal.I think that is a little different, in that she didn't wear said clothes to hurt someone's feelings.... but yet she did wear such clothes to have other's think she is hot, to cause a desire in her... and that desire could lead to her being raped.
As for the rest, I don't really disagree. Do think there's a difference between finding actions understandable and actually condoning them. I wouldn't condone the parents of James Bulger for murdering his killers, but I'd sure as shit understand why they did it and sympathies with them. I'd certainly sympathies with Tear for wanting to punch someone who called him a rapist to his face, wasn't joking and wouldn't back down, since the emotions caused by that are completely understandable - but I'd not forgive him for actually doing it. He should know better, as you say.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
You know, I can't let this thread die, but sometimes I wonder if ']['ear is a drama queen, I mean drama king (is that such a term). No offense brother, but the I'm leaving thread, which wasn't really a leaving thread is just a bit too overboard don't you think? Then again, I'm a lot more laid back then you so maybe you felt it was appropriate at the time... but come on dude.
The forum wouldn't survive without drama.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
What hypocrisy? I said we can accomplish much with words, referring to Tear's talk about lines that aren't okay to cross.
I didn't say that words are the only legitimate option in every scenario, and I wasn't speaking of smoking laws. Come on man, try to keep up. I complained about your tendency to only see extreme options as being legitimate, and your response was to continue focusing on extreme options. What the hell?
Like all great thinkers I am inspired by reality.Sometimes I have no idea where you come up with stuff.
Who hasn't made stupid decisions???I think there is an underlying problem with you Minx, and I’m worried about you. Were you beaten up as a kid a lot? Were you abused? Why this constant idea that you (or government) knows what is best for other people – instead of letting them choose what is best for themselves? Have you made a lot of stupid decisions in your life and you assume that everyone else will make those decisions?
Only a blind retard can sincerely claim that the society he lives in is so good that it can't/shouldn't be improved further. You (and I as well) live in unacceptably flawed societies, and those flawed societies are the products of hundreds of years of bad decisions.
I think it'd be ridiculous to leave the future of those societies entirely up to chance, or entirely in the hands of people who lack both compassion and foresight, people who think everything's okay. That's what we've been doing, and I don't find the results satisfactory.
I really don't want to leave the fate of my world in the hands of people who think that looking out for others is a sign of weakness and of psychic damage. I really don't want to leave anything important in the hands of people who don't get (or refuse to get) that the average human being exists in a greater and more complicated context. Put another way, I don't want to leave anything important in your hands.
One way I can lessen your harmful influence on my world is by speaking out against the values you espouse. Another way is by supporting entities that counteract your harmful influence, eg. a government that emphasizes good social welfare.
In the spirit of full disclosure, my behaviour, my beliefs, and my values have their roots in many experiences. Those that are particularly relevant to this discussion are: my early years in Bangladesh, the country into which you seem so keen on turning the US; my generally pleasant experiences from schools where we were very good at looking after one another; my generally pleasant life in a country that does social welfare better than most other countries; lessons learned from my mum and from my dad; encounters with many, many people who have not been as fortunate as myself. While most people would find this to be embarrassing or even shameful, I'm okay with it because I think I've arrived at good values, beliefs and behaviours.
Last edited by Aimless; 03-15-2010 at 02:07 PM.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Aimless, way to keep the thread alive...
I had this really long drawn out reply.... but rather then come off as a pompous ass (as you are so good at) I'll just reply like this:
You just don't get it do you? You reward laziness. Maybe that is why the countries you have lived in don't have the financial strength other countries that reward hard work and innovation do (like the US or Japan).
I do want to reply here two one thing though.... it was the most non personal attacking quote I had (the rest were just mean, and even though I can't agree with you on anything, and you're wrong.... I'm going to take the higher road and not post those responses that could be construed as personal attacks.
Bullshit. You said make smoking illegal, and the reply to MY quote that we should talk about it first. Either make it illegal or talk about it… they are NOT one in the same.
BY THE SWEAT OF YOUR BROW WILL YOU HAVE FOOD TO EAT
See people, it's because of shit like this that religion prevents us from having anything good and beautiful
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
http://www.theworldforgotten.com/sho...r-To-Collision
The United States, Germany and other major economies have moved “substantially” closer to losing their top-notch credit ratings and can not depend solely on economic growth to save them, a report warned on Monday.
[...]
In comparison to both Britain and the United States, the report noted, households in France and Germany entered the crisis with relatively low indebtedness, and hence have a little more room for maneuver. Yet both countries will find themselves under pressure to maintain financial discipline in the event that growth does not rise substantially.
[...]
As for the Nordic countries, the agency said the region entered the crisis in relatively good shape, and their credit ratings appeared to be well protected.
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Let's recap:
I think it's clear that that line of conversation, at least from where I was standing, was about what's okay or not okay to say.
You don't seem to get it. After all these years you still haven't understood that financial superiority isn't the one single goal I think we should strive for, above all other goals. In spite of your nation's financial strength your populace is suffering from poor mental and physical health, poor education, teen pregnancy, etc etc. I don't want my country to emulate that. Ffs you guys can't even manage to provide high-quality cell-phone services
Way to take the high roadI do want to reply here two one thing though.... it was the most non personal attacking quote I had (the rest were just mean, and even though I can't agree with you on anything, and you're wrong.... I'm going to take the higher road and not post those responses that could be construed as personal attacks.
Last edited by Aimless; 03-15-2010 at 03:57 PM.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Rather ironic to see Minx turn into a hyper-nationalist.
Oh, Sweden has its flaws as well, but I prefer this place to yours and for obvious reasons
I am, however, pretty sure the term "nationalist" is inappropriate in mu particular case. I think you meant hyper-awesome, which, ironically enough, isn't particularly ironic at all
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
No, extolling the greatness of your country for the better part of a year now, including in many instances where the claim to greatness was rather dubious, counts as hyper-nationalism in my book.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Hope is the denial of reality