Nice clean finish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oTIVnYtPaA
This stuff really needs to be played in the schools of high crime areas. You try to rob people you can get shot. Its not just jail - its death.
But I'm sure liberals *would prefer* people dying instead of the poor little precious teenagers subjected to such horror.
Troll alert.
Look you creepy little pervert, you show persuasive evidence that playing your death-porn in schools will have any measurable and positive effect on crime that can't be matched by any other methods--ie. something more worthwhile than making your wee-wee go woohoo--and then we'll talk. Until then, yuck, keep your disgusting creepy-ass fetish to yourself and your helpless family please. Sheesh. You don't see me linking to porn here do you? Frickin' weirdo.Originally Posted by Lewkowski
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Well since we haven't tried mass showings of this in schools where exactly am I supposed to get evidence from?
Yeesh the way you guys go in it seems like you wish the place had been successfully robbed.
*shrug* Then don't say dumb shit like:
Pretty simple really. If you wanna troll or just act like an asshat in general then at least try to have something to back up your nonsense pls.But I'm sure liberals *would prefer* people dying instead of the poor little precious teenagers subjected to such horror.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
And it's not as if something like that hasn't been already tried, albeit on a different subject.
When I was in school, they tried to get the older pupils to stop smoking by showing them those horrible pictures of cancer, mouth cavities with open sores and blackened lungs. They were indeed suitably horrified.
The subsequent smokers' reaction? Well, they had to soothe their nerves somehow so as soon as they were able, they lit up their cigs...
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I don't think scenes like that stop people from continuing to smoke - the idea is to discourage people who may be tempted to try. Same thing with my idea. Current criminals probably won't be impacted but future potentials would be.
Right. Because no one knows that crime can result in bodily harm for oneself.
The rational ones already know about this. The irrational ones don't care because they figure that they won't have a problem, or because they don't think at all about what they're doing.
As a result, your idea is worthless.
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When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Your argument that seeing someone die as a result of something has no impact is rather silly. I doubt anyone would bother running this experiment but take 1,000 first time flyers. Split them into two groups. Have one group do nothing different. Have the second group watch videos and read stories of planes crashing. Then monitor their nervousness and anxiety when boarding. It seems likely that second group will be more nervous and less likely to want to fly.
Same thing with crime consequences. Seeing the *result* of the criminal activity does make it more real and will create a healthy amount of fear.
All you're measuring are short-term effects, Lewk. Plus, psychology quite often does not work the way you think it does. We have been over this.
This is a classical example of you simply not grasping that deterrence is a trifecta of effects and that simply pushing up one variable will have next to no gains.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Do you even believe that negative consequences effect behavior at all?
It's odd, I thought you of all people would believe that the US army, you know, exists. Or, you know, US police officers. Or, like, drug-addicts.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
And I'm certain negative consequences deter those activities however for many people they find great pride and value in serving.
Lewk, have you considered consolidating your concealed carry/death to criminals advocacy into one thread? Sort of like what I've done with my Teutonic/EU anti-tech lunacy threads.
I count two threads regarding similar subject matter on page one of the forum. Also while I admit they are similar there are different points of discussion. Here are a few of the items:
* Police justified in using force
* Use of deterrence through mass distribution to at risk youth of video
* Support of the 2nd amendment
* Support of private citizens defending property
While *similar* they aren't all the same point. Lets not go crazy with thread consolidation, whats next all discussion on the election in one thread? The election (primaries included) is a huge topic that has room for many threads.
UK election was within one thread.
One vote here for a Lewk criminal-death-troll thread, and any new troll threads he starts on the subject to be moved to that thread.
+1
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
Of course it does. It just does not work the way you think it does. It's not a simple linear dependency - you cannot crank up one variable and expect the effect to be similarly increased.
But why am I telling you this again? Might as well talk to the family cat.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Point being that maybe you should look at other factors but we both know that it's not about deterrence or making the world better or anything of the sort, it's all about the honestly kinda creepy pleasure you feel at seeing and exposing kids to disgusting things. Only thing you're missing is a trenchcoat.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
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When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
No I don't.
Negative consequences may however affect behaviour but not in the way you pretend.
Terrible example given that smoking education and warnings have been part of a decades-long drive that has lowered smoking rates dramatically.
He's referring specifically to the graphic images of cancer etc.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Indeed. Learn to read, Rand.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The sort of pictures which are being put on the box of each and every cigarette package that gets sold (as well as anti-smoking TV adverts etc) in order to successfully continue lowering smoking rates?
Just because it makes some kind of sense, Rand, doesn't mean that it actually works this way. http://www3.uni-bonn.de/Press-releas...cking-images-1
Ironically, that's the same thing you just told Lewk.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The evidence is ambiguous. Changes to packaging seem to have contributed to some of the reduction in smoking rates but the magnitude of any sustained impact on overall smoking rates and how they relate to other contributing causes isn't easy to figure out.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I'll agree to that since he decided to start posting multiples in a day. If he's going to post like Kathaksung, then the material should be treated like Kathaksung.
+1
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
He's not kathaksung level yet, at least he bothers to engage with people in this threads to a limited extent rather than just post-and-running.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
^This. Lewk's "yay dead criminal, we don't need to bother with our court system" threads definitely clutter up D&D.
Actually since decisions are based on the margins... yes it does work that way. Is it perfectly linear? Of course not. I know you have little respect for economics but the loss of money is a negative consequence. What do you get when prices of something rise? Typically (with some exceptions) you get fewer people who choose to purchase that good. The more you increase the costs of doing something the less you get of it.
Individuals are of course sensitive to different things. Some are idiots and never think long term - frankly there is little you can do for these fools. Best we can hope for is that they remove themselves from the gene pool quickly as they are probably lost causes. However not all criminals are idiots, many are actually intelligent people who just lack any sort of moral compass. THOSE people you can influence because by their nature as intelligent people they act according to the consequences.
If people were immune to negative stimuli why is negative campaigning so successful?
I know I'm all over the map but your liberal 'consequences matter very little' nonsense is offensive. Not only are you completely ignorant of the way real people operate you refuse to back up your claims. I've provided multiple real world examples just in this post on how negative consequences influence behavior.
Anyway more direct evidence that criminals are influenced by negative consequences:
http://www.civitas.org.uk/press/prsentencing2012.htm
Acquisitive Crime: Imprisonment, Detection and Social Factors draws on new research by Dr. Bandyopadhyay, and his colleagues Samrat Bhattacharya, Marianna Koli and Rudra Sensarma. They measure the impact of several factors determining crime rates in 43 Police Force Areas in England and Wales between 1993 and 2008. They use new local sentencing data released by the Ministry of Justice following a Freedom of Information request.
The report estimates that a one-month increase of the average sentence length for each offence type in a typical year would prevent, in the following year (p.9):
4,800 recorded burglaries
4,700 recorded frauds
The report also estimates the effect of a radical change in the current policy of early release at the half-way stage. If offenders were made to serve two-thirds of their sentence in custody by default rather than the current half, England and Wales would see in the following year (p. 10):
21,000 fewer recorded burglaries
11,000 fewer recorded frauds
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