I dispute the claim they're making things worse. As demonstrated by rising crime rates when the police step back ... they may be far from perfect but they're not in the round making things worse.
Agreed 100%.I'm not asking anyone to ignore anything. But that doesn't mean that what arises from their actions ceases to be their responsibility.
Sure. If it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that a law's been broken, then punish the offender. What's objectionable about that?
If you're throwing claims around that "the police made this bed" or "the police are making the situation worse" then you need to look at the whole picture or your claim is nonsense.
I completely agree, if that is what really happened. No doubt the other party have a different story to tell. We should have body cams as standard as I have said repeatedly for months including earlier today that could demonstrate if that really happened and get a conviction if it did.There are no possible mitigating circumstances that can justify the behavior Ali Afshar experienced.
Agreed. But the problem is that if you're called and told someone has a gun and then perhaps they are aggressive when you confront them and then reach for a pocket, what are you realistically supposed to do? Here in the UK we are lucky to have a relatively disarmed populace where the biggest risk most of the time is a knife and so the police respond with a taser rather than bullets. That isn't the same in the USA.Although the link I cited mentioned that they heard a report that the guy had a gun, there are no possible mitigating circumstances that can justify shooting someone dead the instant you see them because you heard from someone that they might have a gun. They have fucking eyes. They can see if the guy is or isn't carrying anything.
No I'm saying you need to look at the context. If you think someone is armed and aggressive and going to shoot you're going to be much quicker at pulling the trigger.You say "it should be dealt with properly" if someone clearly unarmed is shot. The problem is that it very rarely is in America, and this is a big part of what Black Lives Matter is complaining about. Your response is to equivocate and waffle on about some nebulous 'wider picture' and talk about "sides" like all American blacks are somehow responsible for the criminal actions of anyone with the same skin colour and should expect to take a bit of shit now and again from the police as recompense. It just goes to show the truth behind the name of the movement.