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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Agree that's a bad example. Now, what about all the other ones that aren't?
    Eh? A number of those seem a bit of a stretch to link with far right terrorism - some that jumped out to me at a glance:

    White supremacist and associate killed a child molester.
    White supremacist murdered his stepfather to gain “street cred”
    White supremacist murdered a convicted sex offender
    White supremacist shot and wounded 4 women then killed a man - The man that was killed was white
    Two white supremacists killed a husband and wife because the husband was a sex offender
    Far rightist murdered a homeless man

    Similarly, some of the Islamic terrorist incidents also seem to be stretching the definition of terrorism:

    Reshad Riddle, a convert to Islam, murdered his father
    Justin Nojan Sullivan, a convert to Islam, murdered his neighbor

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Eh? A number of those seem a bit of a stretch to link with far right terrorism - some that jumped out to me at a glance:
    Sure, if you just look at the headline in the report.

    For example, the 'white supremacist killed four people but the man who was killed was white' - that was pretty easy to find: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texa...-killed-1-7289 and it turns out the guy yelled 'white power' right before he opened up.

    So that must have been a pretty big clue right there.

    Also: "A recurring theme from witness statements was that the suspect was yelling racial epithets," Another strong hint as to the shooters motive.
    Last edited by Steely Glint; 10-11-2018 at 05:09 PM.
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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Sure, if you just look at the headline in the report.

    For example, the 'white supremacist killed four people but the man who was killed was white' - that was pretty easy to find: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texa...-killed-1-7289 and it turns out the guy yelled 'white power' right before he opened up.

    So must have been a pretty big clue right there.

    Also: "A recurring theme from witness statements was that the suspect was yelling racial epithets," Another strong hint as to the shooters motive.
    Screaming, "White Power," before shooting a white man doesn't strike me as entirely sensible, if the motive was strictly race based. Although it does appear that the women he shot beforehand were minorities, and as you mentioned there were reports of racial epithets.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Screaming, "White Power," before shooting a white man doesn't strike me as entirely sensible, if the motive was strictly race based.
    Most terrorism isn't strictly sensible from a number of perspectives. You know the primary victims of the Algerian insurgency during their war to get rid of the French? It was neither Frenchmen nor French sympathizers. It was locals who were neutral or even emotionally on their side but relatively uninvolved. It's about polarizing societies. A white supremacist killing another white person who isn't right there with him trying to cow the rest is a perfectly normal tactic. Terrorism, creating a climate of fear, isn't just for your opponents it's for extorting more from your own "side". And that's completely ignoring the common aphorism "if you're not with us, you're against us" which is common to the fringe everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Most terrorism isn't strictly sensible from a number of perspectives. You know the primary victims of the Algerian insurgency during their war to get rid of the French? It was neither Frenchmen nor French sympathizers. It was locals who were neutral or even emotionally on their side but relatively uninvolved. It's about polarizing societies. A white supremacist killing another white person who isn't right there with him trying to cow the rest is a perfectly normal tactic. Terrorism, creating a climate of fear, isn't just for your opponents it's for extorting more from your own "side". And that's completely ignoring the common aphorism "if you're not with us, you're against us" which is common to the fringe everywhere.
    Point taken and fair enough. That still leaves a number of other murders that don't seem to have much to do with race or politics. In short, I don't think Lewk was doing anything remarkable by questioning the data set.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Point taken and fair enough. That still leaves a number of other murders that don't seem to have much to do with race or politics. In short, I don't think Lewk was doing anything remarkable by questioning the data set.
    Maybe we could go with the idea that the reason these stories were included in the report is that there's actually more to these stories than is obvious from just the headlines, as with the example I found in less than 10 seconds, using Google?
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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Then attributing those attacks to far right terrorists/Islamic terrorists, as opposed to homicides committed by people who happened be Muslims or to hold far right beliefs that may or may not have motivated them would be misleading, no?
    It's misleading if, on the whole, their ideology is irrelevant. Afaict that is not the case overall. The violence is of course a part of these ideologies. The choice of ideology is a symptom as much as it is a cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Screaming, "White Power," before shooting a white man doesn't strike me as entirely sensible, if the motive was strictly race based. Although it does appear that the women he shot beforehand were minorities, and as you mentioned there were reports of racial epithets.
    It's not particularly strange. Extremists hate "traitors" nearly as much—sometimes more—than their primary enemies. In the case of white supremacists, their enemies include untold numbers of leftists, interlopers and sheeple.
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