Virginia Gov. Reinstates Felon Voting Right

[Khendraja'aro]

I still fail to see the problem. What harm exactly do you think a prisoner can do through his/her single vote beyond your unwarranted scaremongering?

And if a foreigner has been living in a city or a country for years then I don't see why he shouldn't get a vote.

[RandBlade]

I still fail to see the problem. What harm exactly do you think a prisoner can do through his/her single vote beyond your unwarranted scaremongering?

And if a foreigner has been living in a city or a country for years then I don't see why he shouldn't get a vote.

It isn't about harm, it's about rights and responsibilities. Non-citizens and prisoners simply don't have the right to vote because they aren't a part of our free citizenry. With all the other associated rights like free assembly etc that Fuzzy has already mentioned.

If a foreigner has been living in a country for years then he shouldn't get a vote because he's not a citizen. Most nations including all western ones I can think of allow foreigners to acquire citizenship after years of legal residency. If the foreigner declines the opportunity to acquire citizenship then they're denying themselves the rights and responsibilities that come with that.

Why exactly should a prisoner or non-citizen require and have the right to a vote?

[Khendraja'aro]

It isn't about harm, it's about rights and responsibilities. Non-citizens and prisoners simply don't have the right to vote because they aren't a part of our free citizenry. With all the other associated rights like free assembly etc that Fuzzy has already mentioned.

If a foreigner has been living in a country for years then he shouldn't get a vote because he's not a citizen. Most nations including all western ones I can think of allow foreigners to acquire citizenship after years of legal residency. If the foreigner declines the opportunity to acquire citizenship then they're denying themselves the rights and responsibilities that come with that.

Why exactly should a prisoner or non-citizen require and have the right to a vote?

That's circular logic you're applying here and not a valid reason. It also dodges my question: Why is only "free citizenry" allowed to vote?

First argument was: "They're too dangerous". Now it's: "They're not free citizens." Those are only mere attributes, not reasons. And arbitrarily chosen to boot.

[RandBlade]

That's circular logic you're applying here and not a valid reason. It also dodges my question: Why is only "free citizenry" allowed to vote?

First argument was: "They're too dangerous". Now it's: "They're not free citizens." Those are only mere attributes, not reasons. And arbitrarily chosen to boot.

It's not circular, I've already addressed why free citizens DO have the vote. Non-citizens and incarcerated criminals and children don't meet that threshold.

[Khendraja'aro]

It's not circular, I've already addressed why free citizens DO have the vote. Non-citizens and incarcerated criminals and children don't meet that threshold.

No, you didn't. Also, your threshold remains arbitrary and has no factual basis.

You may not realize that but when you alienate someone of his rights, this has to be done in order to solve a problem. That's why you incarcerate dangerous people.

I fail to see which problem is solved by preventing criminals from voting.

[Enoch the Red]

No, you didn't. Also, your threshold remains arbitrary and has no factual basis.

You may not realize that but when you alienate someone of his rights, this has to be done in order to solve a problem. That's why you incarcerate dangerous people.

I fail to see which problem is solved by preventing criminals from voting.

I'm confused - are you saying the only reason to incarcerate someones is because they pose a danger to people around them? So white collar crimes should not result in jail time?

[Aimless]

I'm confused - are you saying the only reason to incarcerate someones is because they pose a danger to people around them? So white collar crimes should not result in jail time?

They should be forced to work with dopey FBI-agents to solve sexy crimes.

[Khendraja'aro]

I'm confused - are you saying the only reason to incarcerate someones is because they pose a danger to people around them? So white collar crimes should not result in jail time?

No, that's Rand's line: They're in jail because they're dangerous. He completely ignores that aspect.