An institutional revolution in North Carolina

[Hazir]

Well, at least you are openly demonstrating your fundamental hostility to democracy.

Well, I must say it smells a bit fishy if people don't want to have mandatory ID cards yet demand identification for voting. Because that is exactly the combination of circumstances that disenfranchises the poor and minority voters.

[RandBlade]

It's a comment on the problems with the argument used. 80% support is impressive, but but I don't believe support is anywhere near that high among those who don't have valid photo ID. The high level of support doesn't automatically negate the problems--if anything, it is partly a reflection of those problems. Dread's position may be consistent. He wasn't a big fan of how marriage equality came about, for example. And no doubt he would have liked to see the US do away with the electoral college as well as congress, given the low approval for both those institutions

I've not seen any source yet to show these alleged high numbers of people without any valid form of ID. Especially when many proposals include offering free ID.

Well, I must say it smells a bit fishy if people don't want to have mandatory ID cards yet demand identification for voting. Because that is exactly the combination of circumstances that disenfranchises the poor and minority voters.

You do realise every single American already has mandatory ID from the state?

My objections to ID cards were never to do with the state having our IDs (something it already has) but to do with the specific proposal we had here which included the state taking everybody's biometric data - something that they currently only have for criminals.

[LittleFuzzy]

I've not seen any source yet to show these alleged high numbers of people without any valid form of ID. Especially when many proposals include offering free ID.
You do realise every single American already has mandatory ID from the state?

There is no mandatory id in any state in the Union. A state that tried to introduce such a requirement would probably be gigged by the courts for it, in fact.

[RandBlade]

There is no mandatory id in any state in the Union. A state that tried to introduce such a requirement would probably be gigged by the courts for it, in fact.

It's not mandatory to have a birth certificate? Or a social security number? I thought both were mandatory.

[LittleFuzzy]

It's not mandatory to have a birth certificate? Or a social security number? I thought both were mandatory.

A birth certificate is not an id, and while one may be issued for you at birth, it is not something you are required to keep or maintain. A SSN probably doesn't really qualify either (though it could with a few adjustments) but is completely irrelevant since that's FEDERAL, not state.