Texas church shooting

[Lewkowski]

Except... not. It really just highlights what a fantasy it is. Even in an example where there did happen to be someone else with a firearm at the right place and time (which almost never happens), the shooter was still able to shoot 27 people before the other guy was able to intervene.

I am not aware of a single example of one of these mass shootings being stopped before they got going by a civilian with a gun, and if there were such an example (lets face it, the data set is pretty large so there might have been), that would still be just one success against dozens of failures.

There have been plenty of cases (typically home invasions to be fair) where people have used their 2nd amendment rights to protect themselves.

In any event the point is incredibly mute - it doesn't matter how many mass shootings occur when it comes to the legality of owning firearms. We have the 2nd amendment and until a constitutional amendment changes that it will always be possible to obtain guns in America.

Another bit of irony about 'tougher gun laws' is that the person who did the mass shooting? Wasn't even able to legally own guns. Gosh darn it if only criminals would follow the law!

[Steely Glint]

There have been plenty of cases (typically home invasions to be fair) where people have used their 2nd amendment rights to protect themselves.

Home invasions are obliviously completely different from mass shootings.

Another bit of irony about 'tougher gun laws' is that the person who did the mass shooting? Wasn't even able to legally own guns.

Do you think the ease of which you can obtain guns in a state legally might have something to do with how easy it is to obtain guns illegally. Like, if there are minimal checks, it's probably a lot of easier to get hold of things you shouldn't have?

Gosh darn it if only criminals would follow the law!

Gosh darn it, you're right, they don't follow the law!

Let's get rid of laws completely, then, since they're obviously pointless and criminals just ignore them.

You've sold me on this. Let's go full anarchy!