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  1. #61
    Hyundai have open pit coal mines now? Rather than extremely well paying car engineering jobs which I thought they had.
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  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Non-Hispanic White births are now a minority of all births in the USA (though still a plurality): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18100457

    Other then being an interesting fact, does it matter?
    Should it be:" Native Indians has become minority since the white colonist came. "?

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    "White" births now a minority in the USA.
    Should it be: " Native Idians has become minority in America since white colonist came." ?

  4. #64
    Because that's News?
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Hyundai have open pit coal mines now? Rather than extremely well paying car engineering jobs which I thought they had.
    Manufacturing jobs. Coal miners are well-paid, too. Well, unless you look at 3rd world coal miners, but that would be an unfair comparison.

  6. #66
    You don't see a difference between manufacturing and coal mining?
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    Obviously there is a physical difference, but there are physical hazards in both occupations, and both occupations do pay fairly well. (at least in developed countries) The general point is that people want to work, but there is no opportunity for them to do so -- unless you consider mowing the grass 3 times a week (as opposed to once, or once every two weeks) -- an example of the low-wage jobs out there for many unemployed -- as an instrumental facet of society.

    There is a mismatch of capital and labor.

    It's not really getting better as we've seen with the latest worldwide employment reports.

    Edit:

    I guess it's a question of scale, but also focus.

    If you drop or lower (US) unemployment benefits -- which many people paid into all their lives before being unemployed -- you do lower the deficit, but the loss of income is often catastrophic to families and would not promote growth. Continental European-style ("Haha, we work less than you American suckers, and make more!") benefits should be scaled back and I suppose are being forcibly scaled back, whether by the market or by government.


    In terms of focus, I believe:

    * This country at least is still wasting money in droves through unnecessary public spending (I can name a few construction and "maintenance" projects here that are a total waste of millions),

    * There are not enough federal controls on corporate boards of directors -- and hasn't been for at least a decade. The BOD is often inept and individual investors can do nothing. Institutional investors are often very stupid in some way, approving immense BOD bonus packages for failing or soon-to-be-failing companies, but no one has yet determined why exactly. The BOD in turn approves immense bonus packages for CEOs of failing companies.

    * There are too many confused and chaotic federal, state, and local regulations for starting a business or developing land.

    * The federal government should stop subsidizing failed energy policy -- whether it's propping up solar, wind via subsidies and low-income loans, or the failed corn-ethanol subsidies. The market will find a way -- huge oil reserves, and immense natural gas reserves tapped in the past year. The natural gas price is so low that Chesapeake Energy, a huge provider of natural gas, is close to being insolvent despite its huge resource findings -- this is primarily due to their wildly high levels of well purchases as natural gas prices were halving in months, but I digress...

    * Stop the QE madness! NO MORE QE.
    Last edited by agamemnus; 06-02-2012 at 03:12 AM.

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    White gurls.

    Whenever I see this thread title, I think "white gurls".

  9. #69
    I changed my mind about QE3. I don't know if QE3 is good or bad anymore.

  10. #70
    Looks like our political parties are either appealing to non-white minorities as they grow into majorities, or trying to limit their voting rights state-by-state.


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  12. #72
    My view as non US hispanic is that immigration is caused by poverty caused by their politicians. It would be more effective to demand Latin American politicians to care about their people and give them a better life and do their work. But of course it would go against the ideals of some think tanks that may view it as socialism. So immigration is a way in which Americans subsidize foreign politicians who do not do their job, and also some American think tanks who do not let reality to be an obstacle for their silly ideologies.

    For immigrants it is already hard to leave their loved ones. There is a risk of being raped at US immigrant detention centers, specially for women. If you get to convince third world politicians that one less poor is one more customer for companies to sell more (and actually do something about it), that would be a significant progress.

    I think immigration should be stopped, not in US, but in their countries. It is the job of Latin American politicians. Force them to do their job. Use US strong diplomacy to do so.

    There is no need to bother someone in a foreign land if you have something on your own in your own land that you could work for. If it is annoying for white americans to have immigrants, it is more annoying for immigrants to leave their families to go into the unknown.
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  13. #73
    *language barrier* ?

    Emigrants Exit. Immigrants come In.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    *language barrier* ?

    Emigrants Exit. Immigrants come In.
    I mean US immigration, other nations migration.
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  15. #75
    Emigration can be stopped by other nations, immigration can be stopped by the US. But how are you going to stop it? A Berlin Wall around the borders/coast?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    My view as non US hispanic is that immigration is caused by poverty caused by their politicians. It would be more effective to demand Latin American politicians to care about their people and give them a better life and do their work. But of course it would go against the ideals of some think tanks that may view it as socialism. So immigration is a way in which Americans subsidize foreign politicians who do not do their job, and also some American think tanks who do not let reality to be an obstacle for their silly ideologies.
    Because Latin American leaders have been and are incredibly willing to listen to US advice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Emigration can be stopped by other nations, immigration can be stopped by the US. But how are you going to stop it? A Berlin Wall around the borders/coast?
    Has the mexican border fence been effective?
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  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Has the mexican border fence been effective?
    Quite the opposite, in fact.

    That being said, I do think it's possible to establish pretty good border security given sufficient resources. The technology has gotten a lot more sophisticated of late, and it makes persistent surveillance much more economical. The US tested some technologies recently in a program called SBInet, but they cancelled it because the implementation and results were poor. In principle, though, the technology is there to set up decent surveillance for long stretches of borders with relatively little manpower. Of course, you need rapid-reaction forces nearby to deal with an infiltration, and you also end up in a bit of a technological arms race with smugglers - just look at Israel's borders with Gaza and Egypt. But in principle it's quite doable, albeit expensive.

    The broader question is whether it's worth it. In general I think there are better ways to deal with these challenges.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Emigration can be stopped by other nations, immigration can be stopped by the US. But how are you going to stop it? A Berlin Wall around the borders/coast?
    You know that the Berlin Wall was only a very little part of the inner German border control? The much bigger part of the border was indeed between the main land of the BRD and the DDR(GDR). Which was 1400 kilometers long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_German_border

    In 1989 when the wall came down, we crossed the border by foot. You could actually move there freely, only the mine fields where marked with warning signs. We even had the luck to find a open overview tower, you could still see the places where the machine guns where attached to.
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  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    I mean US immigration, other nations migration.
    Well, we do have this problem with "illegal" immigration vs "legal" immigration. There are political ads running in PA now that demand smaller numbers of "legal" immigrants, including H1B work visas for skilled fields, filling employment gaps with cheaper foreign labor (instead of hiring citizens with the same abilities). Or so say the ads....I'm not really sure who's funding or running those ads, or if their claims are valid.

    Meanwhile, we've got illegal immigrants that are really undocumented migrant workers....people who move back and forth between national and state borders to work at low-skill, low-wage (often seasonal) jobs. I think what we need is a better legitimate Guest Worker status, that's easier to obtain and renew.

  21. #81
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    Veldan, if your one-word post was directed to what I said about parties courting minority votes and/or restricting state voting rights for minorities....feel free to explain why that's incorrect.

  22. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Emigration can be stopped by other nations, immigration can be stopped by the US. But how are you going to stop it? A Berlin Wall around the borders/coast?
    Yeah, well "stopping" emigration wouldn't be such a great thing, either. That would mean borders, fences, or travel restrictions to keep people IN, which is just as bad as keeping people OUT. Even thriving, democratic and "free" nations can't (and shouldn't) try to keep their citizens from choosing another place to live, study, and work.

    Fairly soon *immigration* may not even matter, if the US continues to have crumbling cities, sub-par education, and a crappy job market.

  23. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Yeah, well "stopping" emigration wouldn't be such a great thing, either. That would mean borders, fences, or travel restrictions to keep people IN, which is just as bad as keeping people OUT. Even thriving, democratic and "free" nations can't (and shouldn't) try to keep their citizens from choosing another place to live, study, and work.

    Fairly soon *immigration* may not even matter, if the US continues to have crumbling cities, sub-par education, and a crappy job market.
    When US becomes like Mexico, people may stop going to US, unless they still believe US is a bit better than Mexico. In Mexico, they are doing things to sink Mexicans. Probably those who hire cheap illegal immigrants want cheap workers.
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  24. #84
    White births now outnumbered by white deaths.

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    Source? I find that very hard to believe.
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    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  27. #87
    Why did you find that hard to believe, Rand? The US has about 80 million seniors, plus the Baby Boom generation (mostly white) dying. Longevity went up for all racial groups, but particularly for the middle-class (mostly white), whose birthrates went down.

    One thing not mentioned in the AP article is there are more interracial births today, and less social pressure for biracial parents to have "white" on their baby's birth certificate. That will skew against how "white births" used to be counted.

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    Heh, maybe we can get around to just calling each other Americans.
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    How would you justify begging the government for goodies for your group?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    Heh, maybe we can get around to just calling each other Americans.
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    How would you justify begging the government for goodies for your group?
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