This is inherently political. Kneeling or sitting in order to protest social and political problems is an inherently political act. Standing for the anthem can also be a political act, in the same way that celebrating christmas can be a religious act.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
There are situations where it is reasonable and legal to compel citizens to do things which support the country. (and yes, standing for the anthem is an act which expresses support for the country. That's CERTAINLY what the Louisiana regulatory authority is trying to force). It is not so reasonable or legal to compel non-citizens to do things to support the country. I am talking about the fucking law, Rand, you don't get to bring in "well this particular area seems kinda harmless, it's the courteous thing to do after all" because the law does not and cannot make that kind of distinction.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
You don't seem to be understanding me whatsoever. I said repeatedly "you have a strong point about compelling speech" (the legal element) and I completely and 100% agree with you on the law.
The only part I was questioning is the example chosen. Having been a "legal resident alien" myself through my school years I see no reason why a school student who is one should remain seated while everyone else stands.
This controversy is a storm over American citizens making a protest not aliens. Which they have every right to do via the First Amendment. That is my only point.
Absolutely protests are political and they have every right to occur which is why I've supported them all along.
Those not engaging in a protest though are not really making a political point by their lack of protest.
Of course it would because that would be a protest.
Which shows that you aren't understanding me OR compulsion OR what is going on with compelling standing for the anthem which is NOT different from the pledge or saluting the flag.
Which shows you also don't understand what hypothetical examples or the principles behind the prohibition of government action are.This controversy is a storm over American citizens making a protest not aliens.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Nope, you can be sitting without any intent to protest at all. Which doesn't make one whit of difference wrt a public school requiring you to make an political expression of loyalty. You can choose to stand and intend it to be something other than an expression of loyalty, of course. But the intent the school has is an expression of loyalty.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Regardless, compelling someone to stand for the anthem can be tantamount to compelling them to make a political statement with which they disagree, while simultaneously preventing them from making the political statement they might prefer to make. Like hundreds of millions of people, I celebrate Christmas--but not as a religious holiday. Even so, forcing others to celebrate Christmas--which is, at its core, a religious holiday--could be tantamount to compelling a religious act.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I do understand, I oppose compulsion and I oppose compelling standing. Regardless of whether we are talking native or alien, that is moot.
The principle that matters is that compulsion and taking away free choice is wrong.Which shows you also don't understand what hypothetical examples or the principles behind the prohibition of government action are.
Whether someone is alien or native is neither here nor there.
You touch on an interesting side point here.
At school I went to an Anglican school as not just one of the only Pommies in an Australian school but one of the only atheists in an Anglican school. Despite being an atheist I was part of the Chapel Choir as I loved singing, especially around Christmas time. Almost all our songs we sang were religious hymns of some sort. Sometimes they weren't overly religious but the vast majority were.
As an atheist I could perhaps have said I wasn't happy with the songs we were performing and like any member of the Choir I could have dropped out at any stage. But I could not be both a member of the choir and abstain from religious songs, that would not work (not that I ever even tried). If I didn't want to sing religious songs my only choice would be to leave the Choir, which I ultimately did but only when I wanted to concentrate on my exams as I got closer to my final years and not due to any ethical conundrum.
I would object to compelling choirs to abandon all religious songs. Even as the biggest atheist I would not view that as progress.
On a philosophical basis there is little difference between making an atheist have to perform religious songs if they want to be part of the choir or leave it, versus making an athlete follow match day protocols if they want to be part of the team or leave it.
On a practical basis there is in that the matchday protocols of standing for the anthem etc are not a necessary part of being an athlete while singing is a necessary part of being part of the choir. But then you could get the school to sing different songs - not that I would agree with that.
EDIT: PS I have no clue how it works in America with regards to choirs and their choice of songs, whether they exist or not. Maybe what we see on Glee is a non-religious alternative to a Chapel Choir like I'm familiar with, I don't know. I suspect you may not have Chapels anyway.
Wasn't sure whether to put this in this thread or the Trump thread but it seems Trump and Pence etc are either not familiar with the Streisand Effect or don't care: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41544567
This is a far bigger story thanks to Trump etc than it ever would have been without them getting involved.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hat-i-know-of/
Football is good for the brain.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Interesting example:
“I don’t know what social injustices have been,” the Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee replied. “Muhammad Ali rose to the top. Jesse Owens is one of the classiest individuals that ever lived. I mean, you can say, are you talking that everything is based on color? I don’t see it that way.https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...berlin/502325/“Hitler didn’t snub me; it was our president who snubbed me,” said Jesse Owens, the 23-year-old track star who won four gold medals, of Franklin Roosevelt. “The president didn’t even send a telegram.”
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
100 years ago US women couldn't even vote, and he thinks minority were doing dandy?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...l.pmed.1002399
Quantifying underreporting of law-enforcement-related deaths in United States vital statistics and news-media-based data sources: A capture–recapture analysis
The media-based source, The Counted, reported a considerably higher proportion of law-enforcement-related deaths than the NVSS, which failed to report a majority of these incidents. For the NVSS, rates of underreporting were higher in lower income counties and for decedents killed by non-firearm mechanisms. There was no evidence suggesting that underreporting varied by death investigator type (medical examiner versus coroner) or race/ethnicity.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/wat...-to-wash-cars/
*waves Confederate flag*
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The US is being ruled by real-life comic book villains. Look at him.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Are you in favor of appropriate consequences here? Because I'm absolutely OK with the death penalty for those who murdered a man and life imprisonment on the obstruction of justice charge. Would you be good with that or will you bleat on about how we have to rehabilitate violent criminals.
Hope is the denial of reality
Well, it took three hung juries but the DA kept at it (not something I would usually regard as a good thing but in this case it was just) and with a fourth trial they finally secured a conviction of manslaughter.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Yes, I'd been meaning to post that but couldn't decide whether the Benny Hill theme was the best musical accompaniment.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...st_man_af.html
Law & Order. This is Lewk's police state.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-jus...lack-activists
FBI playing silly buggers.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."